Posts by skeeter1

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Michael Brown verdict discussion policy

by Simon in

it's likely that the grand jury verdict on the michael brown incident will be released in the coming days or weeks.. i've no doubt many people are going to feel strongly about things whatever the verdict is.. whatever the outcome though, here's what's not going to happen:.

we're not going to put up with inflamatory language and comments designed to rile others up.

be respectful.. we will not allow accusations of racism simply because some have a view of the verdict that contradicts others.. there will not be invented evidence or claims being repeated - if it's been falsely reported or debunked then it's off limits.. it's not going to be an opportunity for people to air past gripes over past discussions.. if you feel that you cannot discuss the subject in a rational way then it may be better to simply avoid any topics on the matter.. please try to be objective and respectful if you do decide to comment and not keen to take offense.

skeeter1

Simon,

My point isn't party politics, it's that the parties are mere puppets. Chasing ambulances would be a reference to trial attorneys, who also are a large segment of lobbyists. But, the money in being a Congressman is from courting lobbyists who put on fundraising dinners, pay for Congressional (& family travel), etc. Congressmen court big money lobbyists to throw the most lavish fundraising dinners, to get big donations to their campaign. When I worked at a law firm, select people running for reelection to judge postitions were brought around to every office and cubicle within the firm by the managing partner. It was known to all to have your checkbook ready. The firm didn't give money directly to the judges, each & every lawyer, secretary, and janitor gave money to his campaign for reelection! Nothing is going to change, becuase our leaders are tied into this system that is mastered by someone else's purse strings. A few days rioting, getting black people to vote Republican or Democrat, white people to vote Republican or Democrat . . . doesn't matter much at all. The Golden Rule applies: "He who has the gold, makes the rules."

You are absolutely correct on fatherlessness. That's what I was driving at in #3. A book is the "Broken Hearth", written a few decades ago. The economists were already seeing the devastating effects of fatherlessness on society. The numbers were staggering at the amount of black dads in jail and/or who completely left the family unit. This reality led to the Million Man March. Now, the figures are increasing in whites too.

You are absolutely right on a positive "can do" attitude. I feel like half of America wants to slack off these days. Speaking of which, I better get to work myself.

Skeeter

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Michael Brown verdict discussion policy

by Simon in

it's likely that the grand jury verdict on the michael brown incident will be released in the coming days or weeks.. i've no doubt many people are going to feel strongly about things whatever the verdict is.. whatever the outcome though, here's what's not going to happen:.

we're not going to put up with inflamatory language and comments designed to rile others up.

be respectful.. we will not allow accusations of racism simply because some have a view of the verdict that contradicts others.. there will not be invented evidence or claims being repeated - if it's been falsely reported or debunked then it's off limits.. it's not going to be an opportunity for people to air past gripes over past discussions.. if you feel that you cannot discuss the subject in a rational way then it may be better to simply avoid any topics on the matter.. please try to be objective and respectful if you do decide to comment and not keen to take offense.

skeeter1

Desirous,

The 2 party system is a hoax. It's two sides of the same coin. They pretend to be a little different, but they are not. They don't rule our government, nor does any single politician you vote for. The Lobbyists rule our government. Lobbyists put massive influence on all three braches of government, with which laws to pass, who to appoint in government positions, and the reelection of state judiciary. Why do you think the FDA is filled with many ex-drug executives, or the EPA have ex-oil executives appointed throughout many, many years. The richest groups pay for the lobbyists. And, the richest of the rich would be bankers. A black person voting for a Democrat is as laughable as a white person voting for a Republican. Yeah, they put out abortion & gay marraige, but it's a side show. Both Republicans and Democrats are ruled by lobbyists.

Let me give you an example. Remember the housing crisis? Obama came to Fort Myers. At that time, the legal system knew that the mortgages were faked. An attorney in Jacksonville even gave a continuing education course through the Florida Bar on how the signatures on documents were faked, about 6 months before President Obama was elected. As a result, she was getting loans written down to what the house was worth before the housing bubble. The powers that be did everything to stop her after her continuing education class. She was telling every lawyer in Florida. There is no doubt that the White House knew of these issues.

But, quietly, millions of americans were foreclosed. Finally, when the housing market spiriled down, then President Obama came up with a fix. It was to lower the interest rate on the houses for a 5 year period, but then hit the homeowner with a balloon payment in 30 years for the foregone interest (with additional interst tacked on). People signed up, thinking they were getting something great. If they realized, they stopped paying. The White House prayed on the people not understanding loans/economics. So, President Obama came out with a "refinance at today's rate" for FNMA backed loans. People signed up. Now, the banks have alot of good signatures on loan documetns that they are not going to lose. But, there was no reduction in principal fo the debt to undue the effects of the housing bubble that was created by Wall Street & the government. Reducing principal was the real ticket, but then Wall Street would haver to recognize huge losses. Instead, President Obama gave them a little bit of reduced future earnings, and newly signed, original mortgages! And, both parties gave the banks millions becuase "they were too big to fail."

Just like Obamacare. The architect of the plan admits it was passed becuase the American people were too stupid and didn't understand economics. . . . . My McKesson stock is souring through the roof since Obamacare was passed. Just saying . . . .

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Michael Brown verdict discussion policy

by Simon in

it's likely that the grand jury verdict on the michael brown incident will be released in the coming days or weeks.. i've no doubt many people are going to feel strongly about things whatever the verdict is.. whatever the outcome though, here's what's not going to happen:.

we're not going to put up with inflamatory language and comments designed to rile others up.

be respectful.. we will not allow accusations of racism simply because some have a view of the verdict that contradicts others.. there will not be invented evidence or claims being repeated - if it's been falsely reported or debunked then it's off limits.. it's not going to be an opportunity for people to air past gripes over past discussions.. if you feel that you cannot discuss the subject in a rational way then it may be better to simply avoid any topics on the matter.. please try to be objective and respectful if you do decide to comment and not keen to take offense.

skeeter1

Desirous & Marvin,

I spoke on the Page 7, not only of the need to vote . . but of much larger issues. The issue, as I see it, is being stuck in poverty and getting "in trouble with the law" in a disporportionate amount as other races.

The powers that hold wealth, I think, don't really mind a day/week of a little rioting. The blacks/inner city are destroying their own neighborhood, furthering their poverty, and adding to the the picture that they are just mere thungs. Some rioting blows off their steam & frustration, and in a few days it will return to normal. They will be in poverty and the leaders (whether elitists or with money), will have to rule over/lead them becuase they are unruly. Manageable riotiing is encouraged becuase it keeps the masses impoverished (and they remain in power).

The real issue is poverty. President Clinton's top economic advisor identified the things that lead to poverty: 1) Not graduating from high school, 2) having a baby before one is 20 years old, or 3) single (usually mom) parents. Look at the absolute rise in these things from the black/inner city community. It's hard for a group of people to admit that they are going in the wrong direction. For a while, the strength of the "Million Man March" led me to hope. And, shows like MTV's "Teen Mom" is hopeful. But, the fact is over these past decades the numbers of black (and even whites) who are failing at #1, #2, and #3 has alot to do with the issue of frustration and loss of hope.

The other issue is technology. We have strong manufacturing, but it's not manual labor. It's being done by machines. Machinists, skilled labor, are in demand. The jobs for someone who has little set of job skills is restaurant and retail. Both, don't pay. Manual manufacturing jobs have gone overseas. The countries that take our jobs have no rules, give us bum products back (Chinese drywall, plastic in baby formula . . . ) and we can't sue them and our government is too woosy to put an import tax on it to help fix the issues the products cause. The US borrows a crapload of money from China, to dole out as welfare to the people being shafted by the powerful

The stuff that is manual, like pig factories, are being staffed by illegals (who may soon become citizens by President Obama's penstrike). The companies (like Smithfield Farms), advertise for workers in billboards in Central America. They come to the US, illegally, work, and send much of their money back to their families. And, our own government rounds up a few of the illegals, but is rare to round up the executives. Why won't companies, like Smithfield, hire more black people, who are legal? Nope, the powers that be are about to fix all that with legalizing millions of Central Americans, all for their vote. I find it absolutely frustrating. And, the blacks/inner city will riot for a few days over a case of two people, but fail to see the bigger picture, fail to vote, continue to perpetuate the stereotype, and not come together as a mass of people to change the inner city culture that has spiraled down the wrong path.

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Michael Brown verdict discussion policy

by Simon in

it's likely that the grand jury verdict on the michael brown incident will be released in the coming days or weeks.. i've no doubt many people are going to feel strongly about things whatever the verdict is.. whatever the outcome though, here's what's not going to happen:.

we're not going to put up with inflamatory language and comments designed to rile others up.

be respectful.. we will not allow accusations of racism simply because some have a view of the verdict that contradicts others.. there will not be invented evidence or claims being repeated - if it's been falsely reported or debunked then it's off limits.. it's not going to be an opportunity for people to air past gripes over past discussions.. if you feel that you cannot discuss the subject in a rational way then it may be better to simply avoid any topics on the matter.. please try to be objective and respectful if you do decide to comment and not keen to take offense.

skeeter1

The judiciary is to decide the facts on one (1) specific case. Unfortunately, our society tends to want to place all of its discord onto the parties in the court case. The parties in the case become pawns for society's ills. It's fine if a case becomes a spring board for discussion of issues, and the community at large can change the situation through communication. But, putting societal discord onto the parties in the case is not the answer. It's just a scapegoat used by the governing powers, to divert attention, mask the solution, and perpetuate the problem so they may remain in a position of power over a constant state of turmoil.

It's like living in a Banana Republic. The police need the burglers to steal from the rich, so the police can make a report and then ask for extra bonus from the rich man to solve the case.

Think about it. The government wants a manageable riot. They really don't want the classes or races to live peacefully. Otherwise, there would be truly educational tv shows showing core values, instead of Housewives. . . . this would be ongoing, instead of an outburst here & there after a shooting.

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I have nothing left in the tank, I need help

by Yondaime in

i dont have the willpower to attend meetings anymore.

i'm literally on the sound system list every week.

i'm either reading on sunday or tuesday, praying on tuesday nites, adjusting mics, passing mics, or working the sound system, or doing last minute parts for the service meeting.

skeeter1

Is your family paying for your college? Your room? Consider your mike work to be a true job, and you are using your family for tuition, room, & board for 4 years. Once you are able to truly support yourself, then get out of all of this in one fell swoop.

You should strategically plan your exit. If you financially rely on your family, go see a guidance counselor. Tell the person exactly that you are a JW, you want out, your family will shun you, and you need real help funding college & living expenses. You don't want loans. You want grants. You want a job. You want a free/reduced price housing. As much help as you can get. It is my understanding that there is scholarships available for JWs, ex-cult members, etc. Your guidance counselor will probably jump barrels to help you. Even still, losing one's family whie in college would be a big, traumatic emotional wreck to have to get through. Do you want to insert this type of emotional distress into your life right now? Would your family disowning you (possibly derailing your studies) be a wise move at this time in your life?

If not, bide your time with mike work. You can probably get away with not doing one speech here or there. Perhaps you have a sore throat or an ear ache coming on. But, other than that, I'd put up with it for 4 years, get your degree, thank your parents, and find a job on the other side of the country.

I went to college full time, held down a 30 hour/week job throughout. Made Honor Roll most quarters. You can do this. It will prepare you for a time when you have to balance much more on your plate.

Update us, ok?

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UNCONFIRMED RUMOUR - GB Member DF

by notsurewheretogo in

did you see the post on reddit?

unconfirmed naturally and just a rumour but at at one assembly this week it was announced that the 6 members of the gb send their love.. .

there are 7 members of the gb.. .

skeeter1

If it's true, I bet on Gerritt Losch. He refused to testify. Strategically disfellowship him, tuck him away in some corner of Brazil (no extradiction policy), and he'll never be able to testify. Zalkins will have to name a new defendent, perhaps Tony Tight Pants?

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"You can't believe anything science says, they're always changing their minds.."

by disposable hero of hypocrisy in

jw
friends

i know this is going to come up in a conversation shortly, how would you respond to this?

i've had it said to me before, specifically about health, one week wine/eggs/milk/axle grease is good for you, next week it's not..

skeeter1

Scientific facts do change. They change because new theories are proven to be more correct through the use of the scientific method.

Next time one who believes that scientists make it up on the fly, should go see the priest instead of a doctor.

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Monotheists my ass!!!

by Crazyguy in

we have been taught that the hebrews were monotheists believing and worshiping in only one god, except for those times when they sinned and worship pagan idol gods.

their one true god is yahweh / jehovah.

comparing the book of genesis with older sumerian and babylonian writings what do we find?

skeeter1

My favorite quote, "In the beginning, man created God."

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just wanted to introduce myself

by TheMark in

jw
friends

i've been a lurker for quite some time and enjoy the forum.

i've reached a point in life where i don't argue ideologies anymore so i don't have much to say.

i've been out for decades and believe i've been mostly de-cultabilized (if that's even a word).. my family is still in and i haven't had contact with them in years.

skeeter1

Welcome! Now, that you have the internet, you can waste alot of time with us (lol).

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Hypocritical video on jw.org "what's a real friend."

by stuckinarut2 in

have you watched the 4 min animated white board drawing video on jw.org called "what's a real friend?".

it is one of the most hypocritical pieces they have produced!.

it goes into detail explaining that real friends "don't judge you, dont talk about you behind your back, don't hold grudges, don't expect you to conform, and encourage individuality!".

skeeter1

The most judgemental of my relatives are JWs. I have been enjoying getting out of the Truth at 17, going to college, saving money, having a spouse and kids . . . for the past 40 years. I am upper middle class. They are livid. Snide comments to me and to my relatives and close friends. One non-JW relative told the JW relative that I bought a new truck. The sh** hit the fan. Instead of being happy for me, it was pure jealousy in tone. 'How much did Skeeter pay for it?' 'Why did Skeeter buy that model?'. I cut tthem off for my own sanity becuase they became sooooo damn judgemental. The truck was the last straw.