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  If the UN DID persecute the JWs..would you join in

  by edward gentry in

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  imagine this!

  what a tempting thought.. the org, banned, witnesses hunted like rats thru the streets as they sneak around in their reverse coats and changeable hats carrying out the preaching work.

  outside your house an incident,three neighbours are beating up on a witness, hitting him over the head with his own briefcase.. would you join in?

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  To answer the question, no I would definitely not join in any such thing. I'm a big religious freedom man, so I would not support the oppresion of any religious group, be they the large and powerful Catholic church, the sometimes oppresive Islamic faith, or the tiny groups like the JW's. I'm also a big believer in separation of church and state, and the most likely reason you would see such a horrendous thing happen is if a particular church has too much power in a government. Imagine the horror we would live under if JW's had control over political policies! (Failure to spend 10 hours a month in field service would get you community service... which would consist of the preaching work!)

  The JW scenario of government turning against religion seems highly unlikely. Since most citizens are either religiously inclined or supportive of religious freedom, a government taking action against all religions would no doubt draw an enormous backlash against the government. Seeing how as each generation passes religion becomes more of an irrelevant issue, it's hard to see how the major world powers would get all worked up over "Babylon the Great". A good example is the war the U.S. is engaged in. Though some extremist believe that this is a war against their religion, any level minded person knows religion is an after thought. (Most)Nations simply don't care enough about religion to start an apocalyptic war about it. And then of course, they'll all try to persecute the JW's. Yeah, people hate the religion that much they'll save them for last! So funny.

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  ExJw And Abortions

  by tyydyy in

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  we all know the jw view of abortion before leaving but what about now?

  how have your views changed?

  i used to secretly cheer when i heard that women had gained more rights concerning abortions.

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  (I'm still a JW, technically).

  I'm not too big on the abortion issue personally, as I believe that life begins at conception. However, I do support abortions to save a mother's life (how can some pro-lifers determine that the babies life is more important than the mothers?), and in spite of my reservations on the issue I firmly believe in a woman's right to choose (the question of when life begins can be convincingly argued both ways). I'm somewhat undecided on whether one should abort a child that would be terminally ill (is it right to bring a child into the world that will suffer more than it will enjoy, but then again should I make that determination?

  I think children conceived by rape or incest should be carried to full term and then put up for adoption. While either of those situations is just terrible for the mother to go through, it's not the child's fault. Same goes for unwanted pregnancies.

  Utopian Reformist makes a good point about sterilization. Having a child is a serious responsibility, and a person who shows gross irresponsibility in their actions should loose the privilege to have children. It really upsets me when people on welfare have tons of kids. Rapist should automatically be sterilized as they present a real harm to society.

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  Anointed Actuarial Report

  by RunningMan in

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  many years ago, i noticed (like the rest of you) that the stubborn anointed.

  ones seemed to be immortal.

  supposedly, they had all been sealed prior.

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  In that case, the only Governing Body member that's "real" according to your report is Carey Barber (and barely so). I guess the organization is being run by a bunch of frauds! (Wait a second, we already knew this .

  But seriously, (for arguments sake) coundn't you be 20 years old in 1935 and still be a "real" annointed? I think that would be a reasonable age. How much lower would the "fraud rate" be in that case?

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  Sex during pregnancy........

  by LDH in

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  sucks.. or is it just me?.

  lisa

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  4. Fraternal - two eggs fertilized by two separate sperm from different fathers, creating two embryos no different than non twin siblings. (Also two placentas and two embryonic sacs. This can only happen when a woman has been with two men in a very short span of time.) This is also rare, but not impossible.

  You'd have to be a pretty "busy" woman for something like that to happen! Know anyone like that?

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  16 reasons to doubt the divinity of the bible

  by bboyneko in

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  1)the old testament must have been written nearly two thousand years before the invention of printing.

  there were but few copies, and these were in the keeping of those whose interest might have prompted interpolations, and whose ignorance might have led to mistakes.. 2) the written hebrew was composed entirely of consonants, without any points or marks standing for vowels, so that anything like accuracy was impossible, anyone can test this for himself by writing an english sentence, leaving out the vowels.

  it will take far more inspiration to read than to write a book with consonants alone.. 3) the books composing the old testament were not divided into chapters or verses, and no system of punctuation was known.

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  bboy,
  Your latter reasons are very similar to those that I've had. I've always wondered why God would only reveal himself to one very tiny nation, and then do it so unconvincinly that not even they would worship him whole souled. If he spoke directly to the Isrealites through prophets, performed miracles for them, and gave them so many military victories, why would they turn away from him? If God would give me just one totally definitive sign of his existence (kind of like Jesus to Thomas), then I would never doubt his existence and most off all I would be less pissed off if he decided to kill me for not worshiping him (though if we truly had free will we could do so without being killed). Simply because many people believed Zeus existed is no reason to believe he existed, and the same is true for YHWH. Sure, his legend is more plausible than the aforementioned Zeus, but alot of Islam makes more sense than Christanity (their creation story is better) and the accuracy of its holy book as rendered by the one who proclaimed it is more or less beyond question (though it's probably not inerrant as they claim). However, simply because the Koran is historically accurate, does that make it true? Simply because the man who proclaimed the Koran claims it is inspired, is that a good enough reason? How many bible predictions have indeed come to pass? (Was the book of Daniel truely written before the events?) There are too many unanswered questions about the bible for me to fully trust it.

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  **CUSS CONTROL ...!

  by MacHislopp in

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  back from more business,...i 've found this gem in one if the guardian's magazines (last saturday's issue).. here is the link given: .

  http://www.cusscontrol.com/tips1.html.

  here is the text:.

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  Opinion of this post:
  
  Who gives a fuc... er, nice post. It's a darn shame when people swear to frigging much.

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  Lies: Xtians like Muslim Extremeists

  by Rex B13 in

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  one frequently hears the disinformation and lies from people like bishop spong and others about how 'fundalmentalist christians are a terroristic threat'.

  one must first ask what do these people have as an agenda, truth or promoting their own cause?

  spong is relatively widely known as a 'alleged' christian who takes little of the bible at reasonable face-value.

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  Rex is only correct in the sense that in 2001 Muslim extremist tend to be way more violent than the Christain ones. However, as many of you have pointed out, Christanity's entire history is just as bloody, if not bloodier than Islams. Also, offically Islam is the most tolerant of religions (though in Islamic countries it's not quite so), since it recognizes Jews and Christains as "people of the book" and therefore worthy of salvation, but Christainity only recognizes its followers.
  
  As for the whole "Islam is the fastest growing religion" thing, if countries with high Christain populations forbade their people from converting with the threat of death and Christains had children as much as alot of families do in most Islamic nations do, I'm pretty sure they would be the "fastest growing religion". Alot of Muslims don't have a fair shot to evaluate their religion, so it's not really clear how many people would really be Muslims if they lived in a free society as most Christains do.

  As someone above mentioned, since Jesus will supposedly slaughter so many at Aramageddon, how much more "loving" is he than Mohammed?

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  How many do you know like this?

  by crownboy in

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  a bethelite brother gave a public talk at our hall a couple weeks ago.

  one part of the talk focused on "putting kingdom interest first".

  he gave examples of how some gave up material comfort so they could pursue the ministry.

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  A Bethelite brother gave a public talk at our hall a couple weeks ago. One part of the talk focused on "putting kingdom interest first". He gave examples of how some gave up material comfort so they could pursue the ministry. He gave an example of a brother that he knew from back in his home state who came to visit Bethel. Apparently, this brother owned a very successful buissness, and he pulled in close to a 7 figure income! However, the brother confided in his Bethelite friend the fact that he didn't feel he was doing enough for Jehovah. The Bethelite apparently told him that if he pursued a life of full time service instead of spending too much time pursuing riches, he would receive God's approval and hence be happy.

  Well, the brother took the Bethelite's advice. Today, the brother only owns a fraction of the buissness he owned before (and thusly, a fraction of the income, though probably well above the poverty line) because he sold most of the interest he had in it. He now (along with his wife and during the summer his kids) is in the full time service. He talked recently with the Bethelite and told him that selling his buissness and becoming a "full time servant of Jehovah" was the best thing he ever did, and that he is infiniely more happy now than he was when he made all the money. The Bethelite pointed out to us that that was truly an example of "putting kingdom interest first".

  Have any of you known any persons who, like the above mentioned brother, put "kingdom interest first" to the extent of loosing considerable monetary wealth? Did any eventually stop feeling happy, and how did they feel afterward?

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  Some Light Humor

  by AlanF in

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  my wife sent me this little ditty that has been making the rounds:.

  if men wrote cosmopolitan.... q: my husband wants to experience three-in-a-bed-sex with me and my sister.. a: your husband is clearly devoted to you.

  he cannot get enough of you, so he goes for the next best thing: your sister.

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  Very funny Alan F.

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!
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  Breaking free of the OIL habit.

  by Amazing in

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  dependancy: the usa, the western world, north and south america, and like many nations of europe and japan, are highly dependant on oil.

  i recall as a kid in the 1950s seeing gas prices at 5 cents a gallon.

  i remember my parents getting bent out of shape when gas finally reached 11 cents a gallon.. 1971: my wife and i traveled to southern california to visit friends and family.

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  Let me guess Kilroy... Republican?

  To the hell with keeping the environment clean, let's make sure Dick Cheaney can make $36 million more when he returns to the private sector! (Of course, we'll only be left with cancer causing impure air, but why stop using petroleum when we can bring about our extinction in 200 years, especially when real alternatives exist?)

  Go therefore and baptize the people in the name of the father and of the son... what the hell, we just need to bring up the yearbook numbers!