Well, it seems like our evolution/ creation argument has reached the traditional point where the creationist realizes that science is not on his side, and that pure faith will have to suffice. Of course, given the fact that the bible very specifically calls for faith being the most important quality needed by Christains, I never really understand why the literalist feel so threatened by science. Just have faith that the earth is 6,000 years old; however don't embarrass yourself by trying to use science and arguments created mostly by non scientist.
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JWs and the problem of Creation en toto
by logansrun injehovah's witnesses will often scoff with scornful disdain at young earth creationists for believing that the "days" in genesis are literal and that the entire universe is only about 6 to 10 thousand years old.
what about the ages of rocks measured in the millions?
light from stars millions of light years away?
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Bill Bowen's visit to the Kingdom Hall Sunday
by Dogpatch inbill bowen's visit to the kingdom hall:.
i went to the meeting on sunday because i wanted to.
hear the comments on the watchtower study, i knew that someone would say something about dateline or the silentlambs, because the watchtower article being studied is the march first issue that talked about the "slanderous media reports".. .
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crownboy
Same nonsense as usual.
Of course, they'll never say what the exact nature of the accusations are, and then follow through with solid refutations of them; they're just content to scream "LIES!!!!" and do nothing more. With such solid debating and conversational techniques, who can disagree with them?
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Memorial anyone?
by basics-for-me inanyone got plans to attend the memorial?.
i am going again this year.
not out of duty or for anyone else but for myself.
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crownboy
Yup, I'll be attending the memorial with my family, but I'm more looking foward to the "going out after the memorial" part, of course.
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Middle Ages were warmer than today!
by ThiChi inanother example of why the so called "environmentalists" don't know s**t!
middle ages were warmer than today, say scientists .
by robert matthews, science correspondent .
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crownboy
Wow, ThiChi and I are in some agreement.
Clearly, the evidence is very far from conclusive on humans having any impact on "global warming". However, I wouldn't lambast the work of environmentalists in general for this. Air and water pollution, deforestation, and any other number of legitimate environmental concerns are often addressed by environmentalist groups. Just because sunspots may have more control over our temperatures than we do does not mean we should ignore the cries of environmentalists on those other issues.
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crownboy
dedalus made a good point about the JW's always inventing some sort of organization, with very scant biblical support. I recently recalled hearing a public talk which addressed the reason why god made the marriage arrangement the way it is (i.e.: men "taking the lead"). The brother was careful not to make any remarks that would in any way make women inferior, and infact explicitly said that men and women are equally capable of leadership, etc. (which a lot of brothers probably wouldn't say). According to him, the reason why god made men the head of the household was because of what he referred to as "the organizational principle", which, according to him, was based on the fact that anywhere in the bible where two or more of Jehovah's people were joined, Jehovah would form an "organization" to help make sure that things ran in a smooth theocratic order, much like he runs things in heaven (apparently). So he said that the marriage union was the smallest form of "organization", with the entire JW corporation being the largest, of course. He said that none of the leaders of any of the "organizations" were better than the people who were/are subordinate to them, but that god chose to organize his people for his own perfect theocratic reasons, and that we should all honor the "organizational principle" on all levels. Of course, not once was the bible directly referenced to butress this all important "organizational principle", the brother mearly asserted, and it was so (no surprise here).
As for the original topic, I never quite bought the whole "we JW's have always had an organiztion" thing, with Abel apparently being the first Jehovah's Witness. However, I suppose if you define "Jehovah's Witness" loosely enough, then anyone or group could have been one in the past, including the all evil Catholic church .
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TERRORISTS THANK AMERICAN PROTESTERS
by DakotaRed interrorists thank american protesters
by: benedict arnett with special arrangement of al jerksrah news service.
wednesday 02 april 2003
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Funny berten and dakota.
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Got a phone call from my Elder dad
by Elsewhere infor those who don't know by background, i was raised in the organization, third generation.
there are many elders, two anointed, a po and many pioneers in my family with all sorts of contact with cos, dos, and people in bethel.
to get to my point... my father just called me.
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crownboy
The weird part was, I clicked on the thread thinking "elsewhere is proabably going to write some April Fool's joke", knowing your history of writing such stuff. But you still got me anyway!!!! I was already envisioning what the convention was going to be like and then you had to wreck it at the end.
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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 3-23-03 WT Study
by blondie incomments you will not hear at the 3-23-03 wt study
february 15, 2003, page 18.
(the reviewers comments are in black or within parentheses.
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crownboy
You beat me to the punch Pistoff . Those numbers obviously contain a proponderant amount of Witness kids, and very few of those people came in via the "traditional" house to house crap.
blondie I was thinking the same thing that you were; namely that the new seed is produced by new plants (i.e.: new converts). The only way this analogy could work is if it were the same plant growing over and over again. OMG, the JW's now believe in reincarnation! Now that's some real heavy duty new light.
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It's ridiculous that the Supreme Court even has to look at this case
by crownboy inwell, today the supreme court listened to oral arguments in a case titled lawrence v. texas .
the supreme court will decide whether a texas anti- sodomy law specifically targeting homosexuals is constitutional or not.
i was just suprised that this is even still an issue today.
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Well, today the Supreme Court listened to oral arguments in a case titled Lawrence v. Texas . The Supreme Court will decide whether a Texas anti- sodomy law specifically targeting homosexuals is constitutional or not. I was just suprised that this is even still an issue today. You can read about it:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2080746/
In the first article, I found it interesting that the lawyer who represents the state of Texas thought that it was OK for only heterosexuals to engage in oral and/or anal sex because it "encourages procreation". If the quality of arguments are an indication, this law should be overturned.
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Should WOMEN Serve in Combat???
by JT infor anyone who knows me, i have always been a very strong support for women's right to do as they please in life, but today we had a very interesting discussion about this issue>.
this is to me one area where i wonder is it really the best thing to do, not so much because of how we in the west perhaps view women in positions and power, but how women are often times viewed by those that we maybe at war with.
culturally as men we have been conditioned to protect the woman- in fact in almost all cultures that i can think of that basic mindset is held by most men i would dare say-.
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crownboy
Pretty much what Abaddon has said.
I don't think anyone is arguing against women being involved in things where physical strength is not of utmost importance. However, where it is, only women who are as strong as the men they'll be fighting alongside should go, they should have to pass the same tests as men.
It's the same as qualifying for an armed forces job that demands high cognitive ability; if you don't do well on the intelligence tests, you won't be considered for it.