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  When did JW,s stop considering the nation of Israel Gods chosen people?

  by moomanchu in

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  Spectrum

  I think it was either when Christ died on the cross or the fall of Jerusalem.
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  If the New Testament included only the Gospels.....

  by Spectrum in

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  .... what would christianity be like today had the rest of the nt been rejected or turned into apocrypha?

  was christ's teaching enough to give momentum to this religion beyond the first christians?

  or did christ's teaching need augmenting with pauline doctrines?

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  "Secondly, when has the last time a person suffereing from hallucinations ever became a moral leader?"
  
  The problem is we don't know how much of the NT naration is of true events and how much of it was written for effect, like Paul's vision and whether he really was anti-christian to begin with.
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  If the New Testament included only the Gospels.....

  by Spectrum in

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  .... what would christianity be like today had the rest of the nt been rejected or turned into apocrypha?

  was christ's teaching enough to give momentum to this religion beyond the first christians?

  or did christ's teaching need augmenting with pauline doctrines?

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  "I'm not sure what you exactly mean here."
  
  Well, your response gave me the answer to my cryptic question!
  
  I always remembered the phrase "the scriptures are inspired of God" and took that at face value but literary study shows that it is very man made.
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  If the New Testament included only the Gospels.....

  by Spectrum in

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  2. beliefs

  .... what would christianity be like today had the rest of the nt been rejected or turned into apocrypha?

  was christ's teaching enough to give momentum to this religion beyond the first christians?

  or did christ's teaching need augmenting with pauline doctrines?

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  Narkissos,
  
  "Opposing the Gospels to the rest of the NT is about like opposing the teaching of the main character of Thus Spake Zarathustra to the rest of Nietzsche's work. There are obvious stylistic and literary differences but it is clearly the word and thought of the same author."
  
  Are you saying that the NT was written with one voice or everybody piled in their 2 cents worth then normalised chelation to be coherent.
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  If the New Testament included only the Gospels.....

  by Spectrum in

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  2. beliefs

  .... what would christianity be like today had the rest of the nt been rejected or turned into apocrypha?

  was christ's teaching enough to give momentum to this religion beyond the first christians?

  or did christ's teaching need augmenting with pauline doctrines?

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  Zen,
  
  That is very interesting. So you are saying it all started with Paul's halucination rather than Mary's halucination of the Angel Gabriel?
  
  I don't know if this theory would hold up to literary scrutiny.
  
  Something very significant made Paul change from a die-hard jew to a die-hard follower of Jesus unless this is also just another moral story of how anyone can change for the better by accepting christ.
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  If the New Testament included only the Gospels.....

  by Spectrum in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  .... what would christianity be like today had the rest of the nt been rejected or turned into apocrypha?

  was christ's teaching enough to give momentum to this religion beyond the first christians?

  or did christ's teaching need augmenting with pauline doctrines?

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  .... what would christianity be like today had the rest of the NT been rejected or turned into apocrypha?
  
  Was Christ's teaching enough to give momentum to this religion beyond the first Christians? Or did Christ's teaching need augmenting with Pauline doctrines? And if so who is the real daddy?
  Any ideas.
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  The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. The Secret $1,000,000 Prize

  by Deputy Dog in

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  2. scandals

  from http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v9i11f.htm

  the secret $1,000,000 prize

  one of the best kept secrets of science is the origin of life prize sponsored by the origin of life foundation, inc. when we first ran across their web site (www.lifeorigin.org), we thought that the offer of one million dollars to anyone who could propose a plausible theory for the origin of life was just a slick creationist trick for showing that the emperor had no clothes.

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  Slack,
  
  "Why do you think that it should be such a big deal?"
  
  Because the debate still rages. Evolution is still in big parts a theory. A fish with lungs and fins being used to walk on land shows a clear transition. At face value this fish exemplifies the concept of evolution more so than amphibians do.
  
  You might be convinced and dismiss creation as a myth but it's not that simple for me I need more proof especially that evolution is self-progessing/sustaining like a star doesn't need stoking by a big hand.
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  JW vs Orthodox Study, Developing a Verse

  by jgnat in

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  a young man who has been asked to develop a talk around isaiah 60:22 "how does is this verse being fulfilled today" .

  he asked me to help, but not just to prepare the jw-sanitized version, but how we might include some, you know, alternative interpretations.

  i thought it might be helpful to compare how a jw would study and prepare for a study, versus orthodox (or the highly unorthodox scholarship of jwd) when tackling the same verse.. 22 the least of you will become a thousand, .

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  How much difference is there between biblical prophecy and the myriad possible interpretations and those of Nostrodamus?
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  WAS THERE ANYONE FAMOUS IN YOUR CONGREGATION?

  by badboy in

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  any takers?

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  Michael Jackson turned up in a limo on one occasion, it was one day I decided not to turn up to the meeting so I didn't get a chance to have a chat!
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  The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. The Secret $1,000,000 Prize

  by Deputy Dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  from http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v9i11f.htm

  the secret $1,000,000 prize

  one of the best kept secrets of science is the origin of life prize sponsored by the origin of life foundation, inc. when we first ran across their web site (www.lifeorigin.org), we thought that the offer of one million dollars to anyone who could propose a plausible theory for the origin of life was just a slick creationist trick for showing that the emperor had no clothes.

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  Abaddon,
  
  I didn't totally understand your last post.
  
  My thinking is, if you have a fish that has lungs and walks on land then surely this is direct evidence fish had the capability to evolve lungs and change the use of their fins. Isn't this is more important than:
  
  "because they know that modern terapods are not direct descendents of extant species of lungfish"
  
  Isn't this Holy Grailish enough. Evolutionist say fish came out of the sea and here you have living proof of a fish that has lungs and can walk on land.
  
  Hang on a sec, does it have real lungs or do its gills have the capability of absorbing oxygen from the atmosphere?