Interesting post, I see a different side to you. I'll reply tomorrow when my brain is awake.
Spectrum
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The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. The Secret $1,000,000 Prize
by Deputy Dog infrom http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v9i11f.htm
the secret $1,000,000 prize
one of the best kept secrets of science is the origin of life prize sponsored by the origin of life foundation, inc. when we first ran across their web site (www.lifeorigin.org), we thought that the offer of one million dollars to anyone who could propose a plausible theory for the origin of life was just a slick creationist trick for showing that the emperor had no clothes.
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Who's to say there is only one God?
by Spectrum ini've been thinking about this for a while now and i've come to the conclusion that the concept of monotheism is not more valid than polytheism.
monotheism is an artefact of the jewish religion.
for some reason they distilled their divinity down to one multi-tasking god from the multitude available to them in the mesopotamian and egyptian region.
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I've been thinking about this for a while now and I've come to the conclusion that the concept of monotheism is not more valid than polytheism. Monotheism is an artefact of the Jewish religion. For some reason they distilled their divinity down to one multi-tasking God from the multitude available to them in the Mesopotamian and Egyptian region.
I therefore propose that just as there are many of everything in this universe there are also many gods and the Jewish religion did the world a disservice by promoting only one God who in the end never came through for them as did the Gods of the Egyptians the Greeks and the Romans. -
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The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. The Secret $1,000,000 Prize
by Deputy Dog infrom http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v9i11f.htm
the secret $1,000,000 prize
one of the best kept secrets of science is the origin of life prize sponsored by the origin of life foundation, inc. when we first ran across their web site (www.lifeorigin.org), we thought that the offer of one million dollars to anyone who could propose a plausible theory for the origin of life was just a slick creationist trick for showing that the emperor had no clothes.
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Abaddon,
You make some fair points about my education. I need to read more into it but don't have the time right now as I would consider it light reading. I did actually go to the biggest book shop in the UK but couldn't find a single book on the subject other than Darwins out dated book. I think the sales assistances were having a laugh on me by sending me to the wrong locations.
"To be frank, Ogabog the Goatherd's really smart idea of how the skyman made things and the modern theory of evolution can't both fairly be called bullshit answers, as they're just not comparable. Why not own up to having a presentiment in favour of Creation because of your upbringing and see if this is justified?"
I read the above, then the following ....
"Whether the THEORY is 100%, 95%, 75% or 0% correct is another thing."
... and realised that if 0% is a possibility then my initial worry of going from one bullshit story to another is valid not withstanding the fact that things do evolve. My only issue now is did an intelligent being guide it all or is this universe predisposed to this kind of biological self-creation for which the theory part of evolution can never answer therefore will never be complete.
Yes, I have presentiment to the existance of a creator for the reason you mentioned but that doesn't invalidate the existance of a creator. Right? Right.
Let me ask this.
Is your vehement denial of a creator a reaction to the feeling that you were duped by religious fanatics into believing in fig leaves and spare ribs thus undermining your intelligence and dignity for which you are now willing to throw the baby out with the bath water as a way of forgeting the indignities of the past? -
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Your Advice Needed! What Appears Like My Only Way Out....
by drew sagan inwell gang, let me tell you a little bit about what is going on in my world.
for about the past 2 years i've gone through all the formations and as many of you have known from reading my posts i've pretty much have moved way beyond the watchtower in my mind many months ago.
coming to this board has helped with the process much, as well as getting my hands on alot of good reading material.
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Drew,
This sounds like a high risk strategy, you might come out of this looking like a hypocrite and lose your wife's respect.
Admittedly I'm not quite sure how you think this plan will impress your wife to open her eyes.
Personally i wouldn't do it that way.
Maybe you are right that she doesn't need more info but I think that if you continuously impress on her some salient points that show JWism for what it is the penny will eventually drop. Eg. Just keep reminding her every week that WTBS is a false prophet, that is easily proved and anybody that has this realisation should immediately distance themselves from the group or individual that makes these false prophecies as they are synonymous with the anti-christ. -
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The Name Jehovah
by Kristofer ini know the research is out there.
who can educate me on this.
where did it originate from?
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Spectrum
Personally I'm with the JWs and Moslems on the issue that Jesus was not the almighty God. If you read the OT you'll very quickly pick up on the character of the Jewish god and come to a speedy conclusion that no way in hell would that god let himself be wiped at spat on by peasant jews and Roman soldiers.
I think the early christians went to town on this issue to give themselves more credance - basically we have the real God and not the Jews, believe in our God if you don't want to go to hell. I think the issue is that simple. Just like political parties fight for punters with lies and rhetoric. -
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The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. The Secret $1,000,000 Prize
by Deputy Dog infrom http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v9i11f.htm
the secret $1,000,000 prize
one of the best kept secrets of science is the origin of life prize sponsored by the origin of life foundation, inc. when we first ran across their web site (www.lifeorigin.org), we thought that the offer of one million dollars to anyone who could propose a plausible theory for the origin of life was just a slick creationist trick for showing that the emperor had no clothes.
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Abaddon,
"Lungfish are dipnomorpha, not tetrapomorpha. They have distinct lungs, not highly adapted gills or 'labyrinth organs' like the Osphronemidae. They were once thought to be ancestors of amphibians, but now it is felt they have a common ancestor they share with amphibians."
I understand the bit above but regardless doesn't a Lungfish exhibit a clear ability for species to go from gills to lungs and fins to legs and water to land. Isn't this what early evolution was all about. fish coming out of the sea and settling on land. Amphibians on the other hand look fully formed and adapted to living on land but like being near water to keep their thin skin moist Lungfish look slugish on land like they are just getting used to the idea. It just looks like an intermediate species to me. Is it?
"Did your parents (assuming they were JW) severely restrict your access to books or TV programmes, or participation in science lessons?"
Nobody took evolution seriously in my day at school. The only exposure we got was David Attenborough's series but it went straight over my head as quack. -
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The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. The Secret $1,000,000 Prize
by Deputy Dog infrom http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v9i11f.htm
the secret $1,000,000 prize
one of the best kept secrets of science is the origin of life prize sponsored by the origin of life foundation, inc. when we first ran across their web site (www.lifeorigin.org), we thought that the offer of one million dollars to anyone who could propose a plausible theory for the origin of life was just a slick creationist trick for showing that the emperor had no clothes.
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Abaddon,
Raging debate,
meaning there are two sides that are at loggerheads, court battles, school teachers resigning scientist that believe in ID (regardless of your view of ID).
"Please define theory in your own words."
Theory, well I got this one wrong it seems because I remember in school being told that when a theory is proven it is then no longer a theory but a fact and since evolutionists describe evolution as a theory I assumed they were talking about educated guesses.
"Why the double standard Spectrum? You don't have any proof (in the sense I think you mean) for the alternative theory, yet you demand 'proof' of evolution."
Fair point, but it is not about double standards. It is simply that I don't want to go from one bullshit answer to another, like a fool that converts from one religion to another believing that God will find more favour in him, just because Abaddon will otherwise brow beat me.
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The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. The Secret $1,000,000 Prize
by Deputy Dog infrom http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v9i11f.htm
the secret $1,000,000 prize
one of the best kept secrets of science is the origin of life prize sponsored by the origin of life foundation, inc. when we first ran across their web site (www.lifeorigin.org), we thought that the offer of one million dollars to anyone who could propose a plausible theory for the origin of life was just a slick creationist trick for showing that the emperor had no clothes.
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Slacker,
Sorry for the delayed response.
" In normal conversation, most people, and occasionally myself, will use the word "theory" synanamously with the word "hunch". In other words, a "theory" coversationally may mean a really good guess, which doesnt neccesarily have the backing of facts. However, scientifically a "theory" is something else entirely. A scientific "theory" is defined as a "set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena." So what evolution is, and really what every scientific theory is, is something that looks at observable facts and then attempts to explain them, and then also make predictions based on the observations. That is why every scientific theory changes. So you establish the facts and then come up with an explanation for those facts."
I like this explanation very easy to understand. I thought that a theory filled in the gaps rather than explain the facts, so as you said a hunch. THe hunch version I take it is wrong.
OK, so we have observable facts and we need to explain them and we do so by postulating a theory, the facts remain as facts of course nothing can change that or can it. I have one question from this. Can we be in disagreement in what constitutes a fact, and indeed look at an entity or process, and I see one fact and you see another?
"I invite you to answer this question. If you had never heard of creation of evolution, and just started wandering through a science museum looking at all of this yourself, all the skeletons, models, mockups and everything else, and there were no signs or any explanation for what you were looking at besides basic names and a detail of features, and then you had two people approach you when your slate was clean, and one presented creation and what they felt its proof was, and another presented evolution and what they felt its proof was, which one would you believe?"
To be honest having experienced the immense brain power that had gone into creating complex human creations like satelites down to the realistic looking artificial flowers I'm looking at right now and everything in between my first comment to the evolutionist would be you seem to have identified the process by which we are here but who actually designed the process to create such results. And to the creationist I would say you've identified the who but you got the how wrong. Rib my arse.
Since I joined this forum I've been trying to marry the two theories. To me personally it makes more sense. I'm not talking about a biblical creator just a creator. Or it could just be that this universe is just preprogrammed to create stars and life maybe God is the universe. -
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!!!!!!!!!! New Elder Video !!!!!!!!!!!!!
by SickofLies inthis time they really did call the police on me lol!
they backed out though, they called, then canceled the call after a while and the police never came to charge me with recording them, pitty really.. http://www.quad-central.com/~dan2007.
there is the link, i was unable to edit the audio file like i usually do to take out the blank spaces and amplify the volume, so if someone could do that with the wav file on the server that would be great!.
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by Zico incan anyone provide me with any evidence (links to other sites is fine) that jerusalem could not have possibly fallen to the babylonians in 607?
thanks again for your answers.
zico
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Scholar,
Jesus died 2000 years ago and in another 2000 years he is still going to be dead, nice man but dead. And in the next 2000 years they'll be many coincidental events that will seemingly look like bibical fulfillments just as there has been in the previous 2000 years. You sound like a very intelligent person I think you really need to open your eyes and get your head around it, it's just probability. I mean just look at the Nostrodamus prophecies. They gleaned Hitler and JFK from those writings.
Has it not occured to you that a loving God would not let his children suffer for generation
after generation, after generation, after generation, after generation, after generation, after generation, after generation, after generation? And just to prove a point due to some bad arse angle. I don't think so. The Jews picked up on mesopotamian mythology and religion and made it their own. Follow your common sense and intelligence not one more religious group out of the USA.