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  The "Domestics" now include the Great Crowd

  by RubaDub in

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  just got off the phone with an old friend who attends the annual meeting every year.. in addition to the fds changes, the domestics now include both the remnant and the great crowd.. seems like an easy way of minimizing the importance of those who partake of the emblems today.. rub a dub.

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  Clam

  That's a good one yadda.

  Maybe they could ease in more easily by just taking fractions of the emblems?

  eg instead of wine: a grape, some water and some yeast, etc.
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  Just visited ex-Mormon site

  by Phizzy in

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  2. friends

  for some reason i thought i'd have a look see at an ex-mormon site.

  very similar experiences, difficulties, pain etc for them , as us.. one girl made a statement that really stood out, she said that for a born-in , especially one whose family had been in for years , it was like " losing citizenship in a country that contained all of your history, all of your culture, and all of your heritage.".

  i think that is so true, we leave and are immigrants in a strange land and culture that we know nothing about, no wonder it takes us a while to adjust..

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  Phizzy

  How d'you know that?!
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  Just visited ex-Mormon site

  by Phizzy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for some reason i thought i'd have a look see at an ex-mormon site.

  very similar experiences, difficulties, pain etc for them , as us.. one girl made a statement that really stood out, she said that for a born-in , especially one whose family had been in for years , it was like " losing citizenship in a country that contained all of your history, all of your culture, and all of your heritage.".

  i think that is so true, we leave and are immigrants in a strange land and culture that we know nothing about, no wonder it takes us a while to adjust..

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  "we leave and are immigrants in a strange land and culture that we know nothing about, no wonder it takes us a while to adjust."

  Maybe. Like leaving North Korea and emigrating to the free world.
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  Long time Lurker, ready to join in...

  by Blackbird Singing in

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  hi all, i'm a long time lurker, ready to join in and add my two cents worth now and then!

  i was in the religion for 25 years, out now for 8, along with my husband, daughter, and son!

  i would have to say pretty much the whole time i was in i didnt want to be, pretty much "dreaded" all aspects of it, meetings, service, assemblies, and talks, i hated talks, man o man would i be grouchy the whole week i had a scheduled talk.. we didnt have much family in, but lots of friends and many jw employees, pretty much lost all that, down to just one jw employee left(thats a good thing).

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  welcome BB singing.

  I like your tough "I'm not taking any sh*t" attitude, and it sounds like they didn't have the stomach to take you on.

  I hope your son pulls through this difficult period.
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  Jesus' parousia started in 1975, Governing Body selected as Faithful and Discreet Slave and Evil Slave dealt with by 1980, and Armageddon arrives in 2015?

  by JWB in

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  2. beliefs

  jesus' parousia started in 1975, governing body selected as faithful and discreet slave and evil slave dealt with by 1980, armageddon arrives in 2015?.

  it seems to me that some new light needs to be generated if the governing body (gb) of jws is to be considered as the faithful and discreet slave (fds).. .

  (a) gb needs to be around as an entity when selected by jesus during his parousia.

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  Great stuff! So Millions now living will (may) never die ?
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  did anybody watch the walking dead last night?!?

  by grumblecakes in

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  what a bad ass show!!!

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  I thought this was going to be another thread about the Governing Body
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  My first own thread on here. Woken up and still in :(

  by Gefangene in

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  i have been around in this forum a lot but haven't written much yet.. also i had a more or less rude awakening when i realized that the religion i grew up with, the religion i sacrificed a lot for and considered to be the 'truth' is nothing but mere bs.

  it's quite a brick to digest.. my parents both are jws, elder and pioneer.

  very good people but also very brainwashed.

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  Welcome to the board. You'll find great support here.

  and LOL @ moshe's caption
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  Why I appreciate this place

  by mythreesons in

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  someone asked in another topic essentially what is your purpose in being here?

  what do you plan to accomplish?

  i thought i would start this topic as a result of that one.. i personally don't think i can 'change' anybody by being here...but the way i see it, this forum gives me a place to vent.

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  Back in the day I used to come here a lot. It was the first time I'd met up with ex JWs after pretty much being on my own for years after fading.

  I learnt a lot of course and met a great bunch of people, but I guess I drifted away a bit as I found seemingly never ending examples of the WT's miserable effect on people's lives really debilitating. I also felt I'd been adequately "recharged" by just being here too.

  Now I've got some Dubs in my close family behaving oddly and appearing to have doubts so I'm back here to research what's going on in Borgland.

  This place remains special to me though. Although I don't come here very often I know it's always here and the best place to come in a JW related dilemma.
  A bit like a nice old disfellowshipped Aunty.
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  Telling family about "new light"

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

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  2. beliefs

  okay, now it's my turn to start a thread about the gb/fds "new light" now that it's been well covered by many threads.

  i've noticed that a few have brought this subject up with dub family who accepted wt "new light" without objection, saying that it "made sense" for the fds to only be the gb.

  so i have an idea of how to bring this up with my family in such a way that will highlight that this doesn't make sense... at all.. and the timing of this whole thing is incredibly convenient for me since it wasn't that long ago that this came up with my parents and i said that the wt interpretation of the fds in matthew was out-of-context and flawed.

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  This is a helpful thread from my point of view.

  I haven't looked into JWN for an age, but some of the dubs in my family seem to be going through a change, for want of a better expression. My sister and her husband who've avoided the subject of "the truth" (oh how that expression still grates ) for so long are rattling the sabre again. I really don't get what's going on though. They've recently been conducting a study with the guy over the road from me who's a minister. This is weird in itself as I remember the clergy being an anathema and a lost cause when I was in.

  The minister has consequently reported to me that they admit that they "have doubts." Never thought I'd hear that!
  They recently came to a family funeral and sat right at the front of the church. Not long ago they wouldn't even set foot in there.
  BUT, when I went round their house a few weeks back, they said that if I'd got there a bit earlier I could've had a Bible study with them. Eeek!

  But the other evening they popped round and my sister started going on about the church we'd met up in and waffled on about Pagan this and idolatry that, and then came out with a load of BS about how the Dubs couldn't build new Halls quick enough. Unfortunately I bit and asked them how they could slag off other religions when they've had so many daft modifications to their own beliefs dished out by what is in effect a publishing company. "New light" was obviously used to fend off that one, along with a look of horror at my counter-attack (for years I've let them get away with their snide remarks).
  However there was an agreement to talk about it another time. I felt disappointed in myself that they'd wound me up though. I came back here to look at what's going on and have now found out about the new light re the anointed. Extraordinary! Also the Conti case I'd missed in the news. In regard to a choice of ammunition they're the organisation that keeps on giving. haha. I knew coming back here would add to my problem of not knowing where to start but this gem of new light is a really good one. Also does anyone have any info on this Doogie Howzer character who's due to join the fossils on the GB?

  BTW - nice to be back here.
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  Just Heard Some Shocking News

  by jookbeard in

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  a predatory jw paedophile micheal porter (uk) who has a 15 year record of abuse including the rape of his own baby but somehow evaded jail now is a member of my old congregation;wimbledon.

  words fail me, to think of the years of shunning that these idiots have heaped upon me even by my own family and this piece of shit was seen a this years memorial laughing and joking with the congregation.

  strange that this news story slipped passed me when it was broadcast by the british media in 2007..

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  Clam

  Besty may be talking from California where he's currently living and working, but he's a Scot.