there's a few posts where the term "conscious class" has been in just recently.. i'm wondering if it means the same to most jws and exjws who post here.. what does the "conscious class" mean to you?.
ok, no funny business about 'being conscious' as in awake and fully cafeinated.. if you could answer the two questions it may help some here to understand what.
this term is a lot better.
The conscious class is an expression used by Rick from the six screens of the watchtower website. It refers to those witnesses who still attend the meetings but in their heart of hearts know something is seriously wrong with their religion.For one reason or another they choose to stay in it but with no enthusiasm.
Another favourite expression Rick uses is getting free from the' tenticles of the Watchtower'. This is a great expression and so true.
this wt just keeps getting better and better, ok well the start of it was the worst the generation change but man this whole wt is really ticking me off.
i must just be in some mood right now.
it has taken me the whole week to listen to it.
I must say that when I was at the meetings I did feel there was a lot of love there. However as soon as I started questioning things that love dried up in two seconds flat. It is a totally conditional love.
One really good friend wrote to me about why I had stopped going to meetings and assured me they really wanted to know why. I wrote to her telling her why I had stopped. I never heard from her again.
Says it all
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http://www.freeminds.org/blogs/watchtower-comments/.
Looks even better in the UK as the car is going the wrong way round the roundabout. Totally like the governing body.
i'm interested in gathering it all together in one place (or finding it gathered).
i like lists where each element is footnoted, so a person can quickly scan each one and when they find one that interests them, they can drill down and see the arguments.. the bible chronology for 1914 is wrong.the "faithful and discreet slave" doctrine is wrong.there was no governing body in the first century presiding in any authoritative manner over all the faithful.the history of the wtbs has been manipulated purposefully to suit the agendas of those who want power.the doctrines of the wtbs have not been faithful to the bible, though they are hypocritically claimed to have been.during the course of the history of the wtbs the organization has clearly made decisions which enhanced their powerand this so regardless of the effect on the individual.
in all this an attempt to appear to be following the bible has been the key strategy.conscientious attempts by individuals to clarify biblical reasoning on the part of the wtbs has been universally met with force.
I think you need look no further than Ray Franz book Crisis of Conccience. All those subjects are covered and you can even get it online if you wish
i really needed to find a place to write this as i don't believe i can talk with anyone else about my account, perhaps it is similar to a lot of yours.. last night for whatever reason i said i would go online and look up information on jws.
i have been raised as a jw all my life and baptized the last few years.
i looked at www.freeminds.org and www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com and couldn't believe how easily the whole of my lifes teachings were refuted.. i can't stop my brain from running, bs just in regards to theology alone (1914, paradise earth, celebrations etc.
Whenever someone like yourself comes on you can immediately see the unconditional love shown to you. The people on hear are fantastic. They have been through what you are experiencing and you can check yourself everything that is said. I am in a position where I had to fade but boy do I wish I could come right out with it and tell my past so called friends what really goes on at the WT.
Anyway I wish you well and we would love to hear more of your story and progress out of the Tower.
so i gather most of the people on this forum are ex-jws who have seen the error of their ways.. good for you guys.. would that put you in the unique position of knowing exactly how to make a current jw have doubts.. if so, how might that be?.
i've tried science, philosophy, even simple logic and pointing out the quote mining but to no avail.. i'm not even saying there isn't a god, just that their version of the story blatantly contradicts emperical science in so many ways..
Hi goddidit, Yes you're right ex witnesses are in a unique position because as you say they have bin there and got the tea shirt as it were.
Because the WT know this, they ban their members from talking to us. They are so paronoid about it, that the society threaten their members with complete cutting off from their friends and family if they speak at any length to ex members about any spiritual matters.
the other day i casually mentioned to my wife how weird the new generation teaching sounds.
she at first had no idea what i'm talking about.
she read the article, yet she noticed no doctrine change (sidenote: way to go gb!
Yes my JW son has often said to me that I seem to know more what goes on in the org. than he does. It's true some have no idea about many things that go on.
i was wondering how many of the sisters on this board had to sit in the back seat while in service.
when i was single i almost always used my car and unlike most of the sister who turned over their cars to the brothers to drive and would then take the back seat in their own car i never did.
so i did not have a problem with this being single.
Women in the org are not encouraged to anything except pioneer and be a good wife.
My son who is a JW asked us to speak to him first before we ask his JW wife to help in any way. It's all about power.
i'm going through this at the moment and very disillusioned - especially when i find that people who i thought were my good friends (read: elders) are actually siding with my spouse..
It depends if the parents are JWs. If they are, then your spouse will probably put the religion before you what you say.
If the parents are not witnesses then scriptually she should be going by what you say, unless it goes against her faith.
i believe current count is 9 gb, so that makes 6 out of 9 for it to be so?.
how about two-thirds when all 10,800 or so are given a say?.
Very interesting reading in Ray Franz' bookks rer. the two thirds majority.
In a nut shell if 5 out of 9 vote for a change in maybe something really important, even affecting people's lives, it would not go through as the majority was not two thirds, even though the majority wanted the change.
Recommend everyone to read this in Ray's books. I am assuming this rule has not changed.
