Posts by alanv

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A picture so outrageous, it deserves its own thread...

by cedars in

i mean no disrespect to sd-7 or his fine thread on which this picture has already featured, but i think it is just so ridiculous that it deserves a thread all of its own.. lurkers and apologists, this is how your precious organization views itself.... behold the madness.... .

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cedars.

alanv

Cedars, you are starting to get really paronoid. The picture is about the EARTHLY part of Jehovah's Organisation. It does not matter what the heavenly part of the picture shows. It is not about that. And deciding that the gov body have better chairs is frankly stupid. In some lands the elders chairs are cheap and chearful in other lands they would be top quality. It varies obviously from country to country. In the 1970s I visited a kingdom Hall in Denmark. They had an area with a 3 piece suite, totally unheard of in UK.

Also do you really think the society put a picture of Africa on purpose, after just publishing the service report about which countries are doing well and those that are not. You are giving them far to much credit. I can guarrantee that not 1 JW in a 1000 would even look at the map or care about it. It simply shows the JW structure of things. End of.

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Do we have an update on how many NEWBIES have joined in 2012 ?

by smiddy in

jw
friends

i think with every year their are more and more newbies that identify with this site , would you like to say " hi ", if you have joined in the last 12 months ?.

does anybody have a graph of the numbers of newbies who have joined in say the last 5 years ?.

i think that would be interesting.

alanv

Anyone who is interested could click on members above and scroll through that section. It actually tells you when that member joined.

I agree would be interesting, but would be a huge job preparing a graph of all those members. Good luck to anyone who wants to do it.

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2012 report analysis - percentage Witnesses to world population

by cedars in

jw
friends

yet another graph i'm afraid!.

this one you should find interesting.

it shows the average number of witnesses as a percentage of the global population is increasing, although at nowhere near the rate it was in the 90s.

alanv

Thanks Cedars. Percentages only go up very slowly when dealing with very big numbers. The JWs are very, very tiny compared to the world population so you would expect a bigger rise. Bit like reading in Yearbook that a small country has had 20% rise. Sounds good until you realize that actually there were only 100 witnesses there in the first place, so total now is 120. No big deal.

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Any "friends" of Bethelites get a 2013 Yearbook yet?

by Gayle in

jw
friends

i know the yearbook isn't on jw.org yet?

but in the past, some have gotten a yearbook gift sent to them by now?

things seem 'quiet' about the 2012 worldwide service report too..

alanv

Atlantis just got back to me and said there is no sign of the complete report yet. He reminded me there are a few figures in the December 2012 Kingdom Ministry.

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Any "friends" of Bethelites get a 2013 Yearbook yet?

by Gayle in

jw
friends

i know the yearbook isn't on jw.org yet?

but in the past, some have gotten a yearbook gift sent to them by now?

things seem 'quiet' about the 2012 worldwide service report too..

alanv

I just emailed Atlantis to see if he knows what has happened to the yearbooks. They surely must be available in USA by now. Hopefully someone will post some figures as soon as they know

Thanks in advance

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GRRRRRRRR

by Tameria2001 in

jw
friends

i am in a very rotten mood and i am very pissed off today.

i just want to smack a certain someone right now.. now let me back up and explain why.

my husband was laid off from his job, but that is not why im angry.

alanv

Hi Tameria, yes that was not very nice. Everyone is feeling the pinch, and 6 days late is hardly a massive problem. They treat it as they are doing you a favour lending you money, when in fact they are making a mint from you probably. This site is always good to chat to people and vent your feelings. Hope you have a good holiday.

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Pedophile out of court settlements

by exwhyzee in

i was listening to the candace conti interview on youtube and they mentioned out of court settlements the society has made to pedophile victims using funds donated for the world wide work.. does anyone know of a list showing how many cases there has been and who the society settled out of court with ?

is that kind of thing something you can find on record somewhere ?.

alanv

Barbera Anderson, an ex bethel worker has documented around 16 cases which I believe were settled out of court. Have a look at the link and see if it is what you are looking for. http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/docs/jw-secrets.html

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Change of doctrine - when did this happen?

by FingersCrossed in

i received this article from a friend:.

watchtower changes concerning the anointed 144,000. there has been a major change concerning the 144,000 (the anointed) and for many years the anointed has played a major role in the teachings of the watchtower (wt).

the 144,000 is the most crucial teaching to the witnesses; however, the teaching on this belief has changed over the past few years.

alanv

I think that probably although the society know the number of supposed annointed ones by who partakes of the emblams each year, they possably do not have the names and addresses of those ones. That is why they can say they do not keep tabs on WHO the annointed ones are.

I know this information is on the record cards, but probably they do not extract that info from the congs.

So they know the number of partakers but do not know or care who they are. After all they only wanted that figure each year to show the sheep that the anointed ones were gradually dying off. Of course that no longer helps them, now that the figure goes up each year, so I fully expect them to stop publishing it this year or next.

I may well be wrong though with these thoughts, and would welcome other peoples view on this.

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So.....hi!

by FaceTheFacts in

jw
friends

not really good at introductions.

i am an active jw who has my doubts about certain things like the bible as a whole but im slowly but surely wading through them.

just of curiousity: what on earth has happened to this board?

alanv

Hi facethefacts, welcome to the board. Anyone is welcome on this board providing they show respect, and accept that there are people with differing views here.

This site has been going for quite a few years, so over that time many subjects have been covered. If you want to know about anything special just type into the search option, and I am sure you will find a discussion on it.

Feel free as well to start a subject for discussion if there is something special you wish to talk about.

Look forward to hearing more from you in the coming days and weeks.

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Does the Watchtower still make a big thing about the cry of "Peace & Security"?

by cantleave in

it was a big thing in 70's and 80's, but seemed to have died down during the 90's up until the time i left.

i was wondering with the arab spring and increased unrest in the middle east, whether the brothers are speculating about this again?.

alanv

When things in the world look bad, they peddle the end is near because things cannot go on like this, and then when there is a feeling of peace and security in the world, they peddle that.

They always have and always will speak out of both sides of their mouth. They will say whatever they think will get them more members.