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  WHAT QUESTIONS SHOULD ONE ASK A JW?

  by badboy in

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  whether one sees them on the streets or the doors.

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  whyizit

  Heard ya'll think yer Bible is easier to understand. Let's have a look see, 'kay?

  Turn to Job 6:6 with me. Could you read that outta yer NWT?

  Don't know 'bout ya'll, but I think I'll stick to my handy-dandy run of the mill Bible, based on that one!
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  So, I ran into an Elder at supper the other night........

  by WingCommander in

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  **note: i was never baptized, only raised as a jw from birth.

  i am therefor not df'd, da'd, or marked.

  probably viewed as inactive though.***.

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  I'm not a JW, never have been... But I noticed that in many of their magazines there are little hints that if you can't get around good enough to place literature for the WTS, you could always leave your estate to them! Not word for word, but that's what it's saying in a nutshell.

  I actually asked about this once. Pointing out that the elderly probably couldn't get around good enough to "witness", and some are even home bound. I was told by a JW that Jehovah can still use the elderly, because they usually have assets they can leave the WTS. Never under estimate Jehovah!

  Maybe your JW "friend" was a little miffed that your Mother didn't leave the WTS her estate. Or at least a chunck of it.

  Isn't it ironic how they go on and on about "other churches" hitting you up for money, and yet they do the very same thing? But they just don't seem to see it that way.
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  Pretend I'm Your Shrink, Share Anything with Me- I'll Help if I Can

  by flipper in

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  hello my dear friends.

  because of not being allowed to go to college , i ended up not pursuing an interesting career in possible psychiatric profession, which i feel would have brought me lots of fullfillment .i did have a 3.6 gpa in high school and got straight a's in psychology and like subjects.

  considering all the stress everybody has been under lately , in a serious or joking manner i would like to offer my humble 48 years of crazy -a$$ experiences to you if you want to talk about anything.

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  Dear Mr. Flipper,

  I have never been a JW, but have a friend who is. Hasn't taken the big baptismal dive, but is heading that direction.

  We've played Bible ping-pong, discussed the fall of Jerusalem, etc..... numerous subjects. Sometimes it seems it is soaking in, other times I wonder why I bother. I know it takes time. I never say bad things about the WT. Never argue or raise my voice.

  One of the things that irritates me most, is when this friend starts bad-mouthing "all those other churches and religions". Much of the time it is for the same things the WT is guilty of. Yet, they find it rude and mean when people say anything negative about the WT! How would you point out this double-standard when it comes in to play? I'd like to know how to deal with it in a kind, yet firm manner.

  Thanks for your help.

  Whyizit
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  It may not make any difference, but if it did,....what would you suggest?

  by whyizit in

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  my jw friend and i had a conversation.. it seems she received an anonymous letter from an "apostate" person.

  explaining why they left the wts.. of course, this person must have left the jws to pursue a deviate lifestyle.

  since there weren't a bunch of sited bible verses to substantiate her claims, my jw friend is trying to dismiss it all as a sour person who thinks they missed having a childhood, due to over-zealous jw parents who were supposedly "too strict".. she comented that had this person given good biblical reasons as to why she left, and supported those reasons biblically--then she might be more inclined to take the letter seriously.. now, i know this is a bunch of bs.

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  On The Way Out:

  Please give me specifics!

  I've had several conversations which really seemed to make a dent in the whole mess. She's still convinced that the Bible supports the WTS views, however. I know the way out is a long one. Easier to get the gal out of the WT, than getting the WT out of the gal.

  But I think that is where we're at. I've been able to point out a few WT flaws, such as the teaching that Christ returned in 1874. That came out of the 5th Chapter of the Proclaimer's book.....that SHE sent me!

  If that were true THEN, why isn't it NOW? When was this changed? By whom was it changed? Of course, I got no answer, but the point was made.

  NOw, I am really searching for Biblical evidence that may actually make sense to her, even though she is still in a semi-cultic fog. An "AH-HA!" moment is what I am hoping for. Got one? PM me, even! I need all the help I can get!

  Thanks!
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  Sorry?

  by RichieRich in

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  over the past few days... someone who i'm no longer associated with has been out on vendetta to discredit me.

  it started with a mass mail to my myspace friends, which caused nothing more than a few eyebrows to be raised.

  that was the reaction of people who know me in real life.

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  Richie,

  Don't leave JWD. Don't ever leave. Unless it is because you WANT to leave.

  With all the people who have access to the internet, you are bound to be cyber-bullied at some point and time. Lots of people would like to get you the heck off this forum, because you make so much of a difference. Stay in spite of them, and because of the people who matter. The ones who are encouraged by your struggles and your story.

  I know it is frustrating to try to prove yourself, with skeptics ready to pounce on every piece of evidence you would provide. But lots of us care about you, we love what you have to offer, and we have enough discernment to be able to see what really matters, and throw out what doesn't.

  I don't care if you ever worked in a tattoo shop or not. It does beg the question: Why would anyone lie about working in a tattoo shop?! (Now, if you said you invented "Windows"....)

  I really love all that you have to offer and share with the people here. It gives me hope that my friend will one day escape the WTS too.

  Let it roll off, and keep coming back!
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  It may not make any difference, but if it did,....what would you suggest?

  by whyizit in

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  my jw friend and i had a conversation.. it seems she received an anonymous letter from an "apostate" person.

  explaining why they left the wts.. of course, this person must have left the jws to pursue a deviate lifestyle.

  since there weren't a bunch of sited bible verses to substantiate her claims, my jw friend is trying to dismiss it all as a sour person who thinks they missed having a childhood, due to over-zealous jw parents who were supposedly "too strict".. she comented that had this person given good biblical reasons as to why she left, and supported those reasons biblically--then she might be more inclined to take the letter seriously.. now, i know this is a bunch of bs.

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  My JW friend and I had a conversation.

  It seems she received an anonymous letter from an "apostate" person. Explaining why they left the WTS.

  Of course, this person must have left the JWs to pursue a deviate lifestyle. Since there weren't a bunch of sited Bible verses to substantiate her claims, my JW friend is trying to dismiss it all as a sour person who thinks they missed having a childhood, due to over-zealous JW parents who were supposedly "too strict".

  She comented that had this person given good Biblical reasons as to why she left, and supported those reasons Biblically--THEN she might be more inclined to take the letter seriously.

  Now, I know this is a bunch of BS. Just looking for reasons to NOT hear the blatant truth. But suppose you were in her situation. If there were one (or more) Biblical references that would have made you take a step back in awe, or if there were a teaching that the WTS practices that JUST smacks you in the face with the reality that "THIS IS NOT BIBLICAL", once you look back on it objectively, could you share it here?
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  How would you divide an inheritance?

  by bebu in

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  would you give all of your children equal portions--completely regardless of behavior and/or attitude toward you?.

  would you take into account anything they have done to deserve something "above and beyond"?.

  is a child always entitled to an inheritance?

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  My Uncle passed away several years ago. I was the only relative that lived near by, that had any type of relationship with him, and I took him to all of his Dr.s appt.s, etc.... He assumed that I would inherit anything that was left after his passing. I didn't ask for anything, but he told me that I could have what I wanted. He never put any of it in writing. After his death, all of the sudden I had cousins I didn't even know existed! I received 1/5 of what he intended. I wouldn't have minded, if that had been his wish. But it was not.

  After that, my last remaining parent had a short but sweet will made up for about $75. I was the caretaker, so that was taken into consideration. I was made Power Of Attorney and anything that was to be mine, or my siblings, was put in writing then and there. There was also some exclusions. The comment was made that they were loved and thought of, but due to a lack of personal contact, they would not be receiving an inheritance from the estate.

  It left no arguments or hard feelings.
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  Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan

  by flipper in

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  hey folks.

  i have been busy reading steve hassan's book, " combatting cult mind control " and just wanted to share several thoughts now that i'm about 25% through the book.

  it has been a real eye opener of how the power of a cult like the " jehovah's witnesses works.. one thing he mentioned is that in cults, " members are systematically made to feel phobic about ever leaving the group .

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  Love Steve Hassan!!!!

  I think everyone uses these techniques to a certain degree. I have used some of these same techniques to try to keep my child from dangerous situations. Not really knowing it was mind control, but after reading up, it surely is!

  Using these methods to control someone unethically, THAT is a whole other story.

  Religious cults aren't the only ones that use these methods. There are a lot of pyramid type commercial organizations (er....cults) that do the same thing. It's all about using what the person longs for the most. Spiritual security, financial gain, longevity, business success.... lots of groups use the same system of mind control.

  My in-laws recently went to a "free dinner" in a college town, and it turned out to be a cult-type group. They offer something free, but they make you feel guilty if you don't listen to their schpeel, and then you feel pressured to get their tapes, videos, etc.... Which are tools to further indoctrinate you.

  Fortunately, my father-in-law is a sharp cookie, and he didn't fall for any of it.

  How Cults Work . com is a great place to get basic info. about how it works and questions you can and should ask before joining anything.

  I nearly fell into a commercial cult head-over-heels, and the way they recruit is very much like the WTS does it. I was actually p.o.'d for quite some time at my husband for not wanting to get more involved. Am I ever glad I married such a wise man! (Whew!)
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  Hermie, the the non-conformist elf......

  by whyizit in

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  perhaps my interest in mind control has went into obsession now.

  i was watching rudolph the red nosed reindeer.

  i couldn't help but ponder poor hermie the elf.

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  Perhaps my interest in Mind Control has went into obsession now.

  I was watching Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer. I couldn't help but ponder poor Hermie the elf. Remember him? He's the elf that wanted to be a dentist. His elf leader and fellow elves gave him a big "shame on you", because he didn't want to make toys. He even tried to make dolls with teeth, so he could fit in somehow. It was a no go.

  Interestingly enough, when he missed "elf practice", and the elves were singing for Santa, all of the sudden he was missed. Apparently he was a tenor and they needed him for the song to sound better.

  This got me to thinking. I know that uniformity in the WTS (and other groups) is misconstrued as unity.

  Unity is like a choir. In a choir, everyone is united, yet they are not all singing in the exact same key. Each person's voice brings something unique that makes everything sound richer and more beautiful than it would have without them. The differences are appreciated. They are needed.

  Uniformity is expecting everyone to be exactly the same. Do the same thing, dress the same way, have the exact same thought patterns,......Cookie Cutter people.

  This makes me wonder: How do JWs use their own specific talents and gifts, in spite of the WT? How did you maintain your own individuality, and did it upset fellow WT members? Or do most JWs just completely give up their talents and gifts, so they won't upset the apple cart?
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  Some confusion about a JW friend's take on holidays.

  by whyizit in

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  my friend is a self-proclaimed jw, actively involved in fs, all the mmetings, assemblies, etc...., but as of yet, not baptized.. she told me a few of years ago that she no longer was going to participate in anything that had to do with christmas, birthdays, etc...... we have had some pretty deep (yet, peaceful) conversations about the blood topic, holidays, and 607bc.

  along with other conversations on other subjects.. this year, sor the first time in a long time, she called to wish me a happy birthday on my birthday.

  she celebrated thanksgiving with her family.

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  I guess she is making some progress, because about a year ago she was diving head long in to the whole she-bang!

  However, as a "Bystander", how long will her JW friends put up with it? I mean, isn't it their job to make sure she commits and becomes baptized? Won't they put they be putting the pressure on?

  Her guru has spent 10 years indoctrinating her.

  I would think it is very frustrating to spend all that time "liking" someone, just to have them backing out at the last minute! What's next?