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  ITS FRIDAY....................................

  by defd in

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  yabba dabba doooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  whats everyones plans.

  i am going to relax relax realx.. wife is out of town, so i might go to the bar( just joking) watch alittle football on sunday.

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  Cygnus

  No alkeehall for me but the tunes will be blasting and I will be watching as much hockey, football and golf as humanly possible. This week has sucked royally and I need some serious un-wind time.
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  "Jehovah Unmasked!"

  by sf in

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  http://people.lulu.com/users/index.php?fhomepage=225208

  http://www.lulu.com/content/167431

  the author, nathaniel j. merritt, has been hitchhiking his way to enlightenment since he was a teen.

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  Cygnus

  Sounds like a series of spiritual trainwrecks. No wonder the guy wrote a book about it all.
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  Author Robert King

  by pratt1 in

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  there is a book advertised on this site title "jehovah himself has become king".. has anyone read the book?.

  according to the authors bio he is an df elder.. any comments?

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  Cygnus

  I know quite a lot about Robert, having corresponded with him recently in email and posted and replied to/with him thousands of times on H2O. What he says now is true, about himself anyway. He's an interesting character but nothing I'm getting too excited about anymore for my own reasons. I like his ideas, that is, he puts a lot of Watchtower exegesis to shame. He and Fred Franz would have had some great debates 40-50 years ago and had King been around then and had any power at Bethel at all, a lot of Witnessism and their understanding of the prophets and Revelation could be radically different. Who knows? In 100 years none of it will matter, though.
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  And the Word was with God

  by Narkissos in

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  no this is not meant to be another trinity thread.

  rather another shamelessly speculative / philosophical one.

  one good thing with the latter: they are usually much shorter.. so we often discuss how the logos was or wasn't "god/god/divine" etc.

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  Cygnus

  The Psalm says, "By the word (Gr. LXX "logos") of Jehovah the heavens and earth were made."

  It was not uncommon in Jewish thought that what resided in God's mind, or his purpose, became manifest as destiny allowed. Thus Paul speaks of the church being foreordained before the world was, and the Christian reward stored up in the heavens, etc.

  With that in mind, and Tyndale's recognition that the pronoun for the logos is neuter, i.e. "the world was made by it", I can see an argument made that the Logos was not human until it became a human being, cf. Jn 1:14. Epecially considering that the Messiah or this logos was never described as already alive in the OT but was prophecied to be a man like Moses.

  That's what CoG Abramahic Faith (Atlanta Bible College) and their prolific writer Anthony Buzzard teaches, as well as the Christadelphians for over a century, and the anabaptists had such ideas going well before that as I believe.
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  Can any JWs answered this question?

  by Tyre in

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  when an apostate(a) and jw having a conversation.. a : in genesis 1:26 with who was god speaking to ?

  gen 1:26 and god went on to say: let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.

  jw : on that verse?

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  Cygnus

  What I'm interesting in is not particularly how someone else interprets those words of Jesus, but what Jesus himself really meant by what he said.

  Oh, well I'm not your man then, sorry.
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  Why naturalism is irrational

  by Shining One in

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  irrational naturalism (#201) .

  by henry morris, ph.d. .

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  Cygnus

  Rex, thanks for the apology. I've found that in the past few days my head hasn't been very clear so I might take a few days off and watch hockey. In fact I'm at friends' house right now and that's what we're gonna do for the rest of the night.
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  Why naturalism is irrational

  by Shining One in

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  irrational naturalism (#201) .

  by henry morris, ph.d. .

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  Cygnus

  Rex, this is my last post for the day, so saith Simon and the restrictions put on me.

  : : I''d need the eywitnesses to be independent of each other and carrying along no preferential presuppositions.
  
  : WHEN has that ever been the case? Everyone has their own axioms.

  I'm not proficient at law, but I'm pretty sure some examples could be found.
  
  
  : : Christians champion Paul's defense of himself when relating his conversion to the Roman authorities
  
  : That is only the beginning, uninspired traditional accounts list hundreds of martyrs who say they saw the risen Lord and would not recant. Christians who had seen Jesus risen, the apostles and many of their disciples followed suit except for John, who escaped that death. People do not die for a lie and a sham unless they have been fully indoctrinated and not shown any opposing evidence. Chuck Colson gives an excellent analogy of this in his book, 'Born Again'. He was part of a conspiracy that caused President Nixon to resign. You had several men who knew of the conspiracy and could have contained it themselves but they turned on each other and sold each other out without ever having to worry about being killed.

  That's right, people have been willing to die for all sorts of crazy beleifs. Christians aren't/weren't the only ones.

  : : but today he'd be laughed at and tossed into the looney bin. I never did quite get if he heard or if he saw Jesus (of his "glory") anyway.
  
  : Your ignorance is absolutely overwhelming.

  Well, here's what the written word says:

• Acts 9:7 "And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man."

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• Acts 22:9 "And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me."

OK it was Paul's men. Dude, I'm tired and have been really sick. I should have kept my trap shut.

: : edited to add since I'm out of posts for the day: The supposed eyewitnesses of Jesus who authored the gospels did a poor job getting their story straight. One has to wonder, with all the contradictions and different language (for instance, did Jesus literally say "Kingdom of Heaven" or "Kingdom of God"?) how the catholics (univeralists?) canonized them as Hoy Writ.

: Ignorance knows no bounds with you, Cygnus. I effectively debunked your alleged contradictions and I even sent you to sources that would enlighten you. Too bad you just don't want to investigate it for yourself.

No, man, I have, believe me, I have. Special pleading won't make my opinions go away. But that's all they are, opinions, and sometimes I goof up, which is why I try not to call people names like "ignorant" but I do slip up some times. The last couple of days have been rough on my life, a lot on my mind and a lot to do for health and money problem. I should stay out of deep threads like this one for the time being,