Phooey. Make 'em work at it. Make them get you on some charge. Demand the witnesses be present to accuse you. Bring your own witnesses to testify in your behalf. Bring a copy of the Flock book (it's online, download and print the judicial parts), make your opening statement 45 minutes long. Appeal. Make them write all their names, addresses, ph #s and alternate contact info. Write the Society a few times. Then refuse to be shunned. Say Hello to any JWs you run into then go blblblblblblblblblbl with your finger and lips.
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15Anybody just plain get fed up and DA?
by toby888 ini'm sick and tired and i just can't take it anymore.
i think i can "be all i can be" by joining the world and thinking about da pretty soon.
slow fade may not really work for me.
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Has there been any "New Light" on the Blood Issue?
by Mastodon insomeone asked me if i knew anything about that.
oblviuosly i don't, so i'm reaching to all of you in this enlightened crowd to shed some light on this for me.
thanks!
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rootcause is doing his best to write english and be impressive with italics and indentations and questions but unless you have trillions of hours to kill reasoning with him is fruitless. And just as fruitless is pre- and post-1961 Watchtower blood policy.
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So whats the longest road trip youve been on? or farthest you've driven?
by doodle-v inwe just got back from spending two weeks in denver, co. call us crazy (yeah i dont know what the hell we were thinking) but we decided to drive.
from seattle to denver and back is over 3,000 miles.
we had both kids and a crap load of stuff.
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From Tampa Bay to Buffalo, NY and vice versa a few times. When I was newly married at 20 we drove from Buffalo to Myrtle Beach. Once from Buffalo to Detroit and back to see Jethro Tull.
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Disfellowshipping/ The Biggest Thing to Make You Believe We Had The Truth?
by prophecor ini'm no watchtower apologist, but when i look back on it all, one of the biggest things that made me believe we had the truth was the shear fact that there was a zero tollerance for any and all conduct unbecoming of a christian: fornication, adultery, yada yada yada, many of the crimes the church with thier throngs of adhereants were allowed to get away with were unthinkable in the kingdom hall.
am i missing something?.
doing that which has been done to many of us is ,afterall, scriptural.
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Well, it's not so much a zero-tolerance policy. There is removal from privileges, such as carrying microphones, handling stage duties, or pioneering. There is marking. There are methods of reproof. None of this is decided by the congregation but by men behind closed doors and then usually an embarrassing "local needs" talk.
Probably half the Christians I know are non-denom and forgive just about anything, unless it is offense number 78.
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Thank you so much
by Cygnus ini am very happy that so many care for me.
sometimes i have to break down.
my situation is manageable but it is hardly easy and i feel a lot of guilt, when i really don't need to.
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I am very happy that so many care for me. Sometimes I have to break down. My situation is manageable but it is hardly easy and I feel a lot of guilt, when I really don't need to. Thank you all so much for your kind words.
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JW's are they really a cult?
by Evanescence inmany people would say they are a cult, what are your reasons for thinking they are a cult?.
a created a thread a while ago on an idea of what a cult is http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/96309/1.ashx.
do you think it is the jehovah's witnesses as a whole a cult?
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(a) The group will have an ELITIST view of itself in relation to
others, and a UNIQUE CAUSE. e.i. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES RIGHT -
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everyone else is in apostasy.1. Their leader/s may claim a special, exclusive ministry, revelation or
position of authority given by God.*** km 4/99 p. 3 Pioneering—Wise Use of Our Time! ***
We know that Jehovah is the Creator and Universal Sovereign and that we owe our lives to him. (Dan. 4:17; Acts 17:28) It is clear to us that Jehovah is using just one organization. We are privileged to serve loyally with it, supporting “the faithful and discreet slave” in giving the Kingdom witness before the end comes.
2. They believe they are the only true church and take a critical stance
regarding the Christian church while at the same time praising and
exalting their own group, leader/s and work.*** re chap. 25 pp. 166-167 Reviving the Two Witnesses ***
John goes on to say of the two witnesses: “And they have authority over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every sort of plague as often as they wish.” (Revelation 11:6b)... And during the first world war Christ’s brothers, the two witnesses, exposed the death-dealing quality of “the waters” that Christendom was serving to her flocks.
*** sl chap. 12 p. 215 Christendom and Judaism Now Facing Desolation ***
In sharp contrast to Christendom and Judaism, Jehovah’s Christian witnesses, who are residing in the spiritual paradise of his favor and protection, are the ones that have taken Jehovah as their King, their Statute-giver, their Judge, their Savior. They are therefore the ones that are safeguarded from the spiritual sicknesses and maladies and plagues that afflict Christendom and Judaism.
3. They use intimidation or psychological manipulation to keep members
loyal to their ranks. This could be in the form of threats of dire
calamity sent by God if they leave; certain death at Armageddon;
being shunned by their family and friends etc. This is a vital
part of the mind control process.***
w89 9/1 p. 19 Remaining Organized for Survival Into the Millennium ***Only Jehovah’s Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil.
*** w88 3/15 p. 18 Serving as Jehovah’s Trusting Fellow Workers ***
Why are such persons not justified in leaving God’s organization? Because his Word assures us: “Abundant peace belongs to those loving [Jehovah’s] law, and for them there is no stumbling block.” (Psalm 119:165) ...Largely, disloyal ones who have left Jehovah’s visible organization have made common cause with those in God-dishonoring “Babylon the Great.”
*** w55 12/1 p. 729 Keeping Within the Bounds of Refuge ***
The great Armageddon wine press will be trodden “outside the city” ...“Trodden outside the city” means it will be trodden outside the New Jerusalem, outside the theocratic organization, hence outside the Christian city of refuge and outside the New World society. Do any today want to avoid being pitched into the wine press of God’s anger to be crushed? Then make no delay to escape the divine Avenger of blood. Take the road marked “Refuge! Refuge!” and flee to the refuge city under the High Priest Jesus Christ. Then determinedly, wisely, gratefully stay inside it until Armageddon!
*** w81 9/15 p. 22 Disfellowshiping—How to View It ***
Yes, the Bible commands Christians not to keep company or fellowship with a person who has been expelled from the congregation. Thus “disfellowshiping” is what Jehovah’s Witnesses appropriately call the expelling and subsequent shunning of such an unrepentant wrongdoer.
(note: even though members are not given any knowledge of the alleged wrongdoing and lack of repentance and are not informed of such.)Judge for yourselves.
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Why naturalism is irrational
by Shining One inirrational naturalism (#201) .
by henry morris, ph.d. .
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Cygnus
With respect to all parties involved, this thread has become much ado about nothing,
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not doing so great again
by Cygnus insorry for my lack of participation here the last couple of days, i'm not doing well, please keep me in your thoughts as i try to get through this struggle, thank you
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sorry for my lack of participation here the last couple of days, I'm not doing well, please keep me in your thoughts as i try to get through this struggle, thank you
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I have joined ex gay seminar
by joelbear inyes, i'm tired of being gay, its time for me to be heterosexual.. among the seminars i have signed up for are:.
1. breasts are not that icky.. 2. how to keep things out of your butt.. 3. butchness starts with a hammer.. i will keep you up to date on my progress.. hey, check out that babe!
i wonder if she has a hot boyfriend.. oh darn, well, i'm not there yet.
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joel i love you man
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Why naturalism is irrational
by Shining One inirrational naturalism (#201) .
by henry morris, ph.d. .
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I encourage you to read Lee Strobel's, 'The Case for Faith' and 'The Case for Christ', as well as Josh McDowell's two books, 'Evidence that Demands a Verdict'.
Rex, those books have been thoroughly shredded to pieces on skeptic.com and atheist.com but you know that. I'm sorry but there is no logic behind christianity or theism. Those guys just try to sell more books; they're not really concerned about the reader personally; they just carry on a long debate about gods and make good $$ doing it by targeting and marketing a market. The one you as a consumer belong in.
It's funny, I remember you getting into it with a Catholic on H2O several years ago and unabashedly ripped his trinitarian, immortal soul believing, apologist for the Crusades butt off. Well you tried anyway. It's really fascinating to look back 6-7 years ago and read what our thoughts were at the time. I do wonder, Rex, if in 6-7 years you're defending Buddha, or atheism.