at first glance, most people would say that there are lots of very good jws around.
ok, we reason, maybe they are a little misguided, but most of them mean well.
we particularly like to think that way about our friends and loved ones who are in the organisation, we dont want to regard them as being unkind and uncaring.
JWs essentially have one thing in common: the belief in Jehovah, and the belief in organized religion.
That is all.
JWs as individuals vary culturally, scholastically, and economically. They have differing personalities, tastes, desires, and endeavors.
You simply cannot lump all JWs into two or three specific (and primarily negative!) categories. I do not sympathize with the core JW beliefs. Yet I know _exactly_ what Joelbear was getting at.
if jesus is not god, then explain... .
-how can jesus know all men (john 16:30)?
-how can jesus, the christ, dwell in you (col. 1:27)?
: Then why did Jesus claim the divine name, "I AM", for Himself in John 8:58? see Exodus 3:14.
Arrrgghhhhh!
Jesus (in Aramaic): xxx xxxxx xxx xxxxx xxx
Jews: he just said xxx xxxxx xxx xxxxx xxx!! Well now, if we translate that into Hebrew, he said xx xxxx xx x xxxxx xxx! And if we then translate that into Greek he says XXxXx XxXxx xxXxx Xxx! Now where's my LXX? Ah, there it is! Why, I'll be DAMNED! Dude just said "I AM" (full capitalization). Why that dirty son of a.....
ask them a hard question!.
amazing how the chorus of jw defenders has vanished - as if one man - despite the promise from yoyomama to answer my question if i answered hers.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18968&site=3.
Lionel! Such language unbecoming of a Christian!
If a JW doesn't get the inconsistencies and outright poor logic inherent in the blood policy after 10 minutes, he never will.
When I was still a Loyal Dub I presented 7 questions to the highest ranking HLC member here in western New York. He worked in a blood bank for 20 years before becoming a Witness. He was clueless. You think you're going to change Trisha's mind?
Sometimes I really think apostates only badger faithful Witnesses to reinforce in their own minds that the Society is wrong.
i spoke with my mom this weekend.
i told her i was going to da myself.
i no longer wish to be a jw or have any dealings or ties.
A question, in all seriousness:
Why do you allow the JWs do exercise such power over your life in the first place?
whats the strangest watchtower/awake or other publication article you,ve ever seen?.
i know theres some very strange old articles , but a few years ago there was one in the awake if i remmember right which had a picture of two brothers holding hands on the ministrty.. one was african the other white.. apparently it was common for men to hold hands in this country and was perectly normal for hetrosexual men to do.. a brother who was a missionary recounted how he was shocked when out with a local brother for the first time on the ministry and the brother took his hand in his.. a lot of people though the article was very odd and didn't like it.
I vote for the one where Jehovah appointed a faithful slave over the domestics in 1919.
Oh wait! There a ton of those.
How about the one where an invisible man in the sky sends his invisible son in the sky with a few million other invisible men to kill every visible man except those bearing the mark of Ezekiel?
Alas, lots of those too.
Ok, I got one.
It certainly, positively, unequivocably has to be the one where... aw hell... all of 'em qualify.
i picked up the 1/8/02 issue of the awake!
in the waiting area while my car was being serviced yesterday.
when i see harmful literature in places like that, i follow the society's instructions and i hurl them in the trash.
Biggs,
You sure you aren't thinking of the $cientologists? ;-)
i'm curious about this.
it would appear that active jw's who have reservations about the societies teachings, are usually doubtful about the prohibition of accepting a blood transfusion.
oddly, few seem to have any qualms about the shunning policy whilst they are still associating.
Brother dungbeetle,
Are you saying that in a severe trauma circumstance, given a 1/300,000 chance of obtaining HIV, and a 1/15,000 chance of obtaining Hep C (allowing that three units of pRBC are required), you would appeal to those numbers to reject the transfusion if the trained medical people informed you of a 1/10 or 1/50 or even 1/1000 chance of dying from acute anemia?
ask them a hard question!.
amazing how the chorus of jw defenders has vanished - as if one man - despite the promise from yoyomama to answer my question if i answered hers.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18968&site=3.
Why do you people bother answering trisha? Just let her be. After 10 or 12 posts defending the indefensible, it should be clear to everyone that she's a lost cause.
Cygnus, critic of the critics
i picked up the 1/8/02 issue of the awake!
in the waiting area while my car was being serviced yesterday.
when i see harmful literature in places like that, i follow the society's instructions and i hurl them in the trash.
Java,
Beats me whether the Witness reports or the opposers' reports are true or not. I have heard both sides give two completely different stories.
I honestly wouldn't blame the Witnesses for shutting the doors for a while. At the time nobody knew what was going on, or who might be responsible or take advantage of the situation.
Else,
I only knew of one baptized brother who joined the firefighting ranks of his community. My initial reaction (and I grew up in the JW faith) was of surprise. I was always trained to believe that such vocations were extremely frowned upon. Not a DFing offense, mind you. But would it not be finer for a brother to spend his time saving lives in a permanent fashion whilst engaged in the field ministry?
2. you are an inactive publisher and a member of a congregation.. 3. you are an inactive publisher for over 7 years and the congregation.
any congregation.
(this is a pretty good place to be).. 4. you are an inactive publisher for over 7 years and the congregation.
I was an inactive Witness for 33 months until the elders hunted me down as I was seen associating with a disfellowshipped person.
Since I did not fight the allegation (it was true), and since I brought my DF'd friend with me to the judicial committee hearing, I was summarily DF'd myself.
My only defense was the Society's web page where it says former members are not shunned (I told them since I wasn't reporting activity, I was a former member). I was told "some alleged website is not our authority." I appealed to a 1987 Watchtower where a person who had not been active for a period of time, although he committed a DF'ing offense, might not have judicial action taken. The article says, 'the elders might choose to hold the matter in abeyance until such time as the person advertises himself as a Witness again.' I was told that the elders MIGHT choose to, not that they had to.
Obviously, I didn't care if I was DF'd. But it goes to show that the Society will say one thing, and elders will generally do whatever they wish. I did write Brooklyn twice for clarification, and all I received was, 'We find no reason to question the decisions of the committees.'
