Posts by D8TA

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Dateline/Silentlambs is a fulfillment of...

by TheApostleAK in

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revelation 20:7 to 10..... nations = everyone (especially 'apostates') except jehovah's witnesses.

camp of the holy ones = kingdom halls.

holy ones = jehovahs witnesses.

WT Public Information-Position On Murder

by silentlambs in

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how would the wt public information explain their position on other crimes such as bank robbery, rape, or even murder?

would they present their position in the same way as child molestation?

if so here is an example for wt media to post with the proper changes.. .

D8TA

Cygnus,

I'm a bit confused in the question itself, as to the "why" of it. Or perhaps a bit of clarity as to where you are going with this.

Why would it be an issue if Bill Bowen believed whether he thought pro or con on what the WBTS opinion is to what the bible states for protocol?

Now:
If he did agree, he would of NOT started Silent Lambs. For he would of supported the WBTS view on judicial protocol.

We are dealing with an organization with the mind set of: We have God(Jehovah) on our side, and everyone else is S.O.L.
Now, we can't deny that, nor are we going to debate it since we both know of the written/spoken word from the WBTS.

Of course the WBTS will believe in one way or another and justify, that they are following strict bible protocol..AS PER THEIR POINT OF VIEW.

Have they proven beyond all reason and doubt that they are indeed "Jehovah's visible organization"? Nope. Why? Because there is no ABSOLUTE proof to back up such claim to the rest of the world. All we have is perception, opinion, and interpretation from the WBTS point of view on what is written in the Bible. How THEY see it.

So yes, from their point of view, they can run things any way they see fit. Since THEY believe on what the bible states on such matters.

Now we must ask: Do the Jehovah Witness have any exempt status when dealing with the rest of the "world". Answer:No.

Why?
Because there is no ABSOLUTE proof of the WBTS claims, I therefore have a right to contest their point. Not right by law, but by my existence as an individual. So does the next person.

Now, there are practices within the WBTS that do serve a clear and present danger to the community within and OUTSIDE the WBTS. I myself am not concerned with the people within. Selfish? Yes, I admit, I am in that regard. Why? Because WBTS can, by the 1st Ammendment, practice internal judicial process. (Just want to clarify: On my own opinion and self application moral compass, I feel what they are doing with the victims within their community is HORRENDOUS!)

Now we have the OUTSIDE community. Me. This is where if there is a pedophile is coming to my door (and please, let's not make this a "convicted" isssue, but take the Pandelo situation) the community does have the right to be notified as to such an individual trespassing on our PRIVATE property(and going near schools and public places etc). If the internal practices of the WBTS (does not notify the outside community there is pedophile engaged in door to door)endanger my child (nephew/neice etc.) then we have a seperate matter as to what the 1st Amendament states. If John Q. Pedophile has to report to local authority, so does Brother Q. Pedophile. Regardless of what point of view and whose point of view is of the Bible. Now we are talking the law of the land. Now we are talking outside community safety.

Bottome Line:
Does WBTS internal practices put the OUTSIDE community at risk? Yes.
Do I have a right to gaurd against that risk? Yes.
Do I have the right to expose the WBTS for this risk? Yes.
Does the WBTS wilfull and knowingly harbor people who can harm the community? Yes.
Does the WBTS report such individuals? Only in places where the law states that they MUST do. So Yes and No.

Now We can debate matter of opinion:
Should the WBTS change their internal judicial policy? My opinion: Yes.
Should victims of pedophilia in the WBTS be under ANY sort of duress (big or small) if they report to authorities? My opinion: No.
Should there be changes in the WBTS judicial system? My opinion:Yes.
Should Godzilla spawn near N.Y. and crush the WBTS headquarters: My opinion? Well...you know that answer.

D8TA

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Ye Old Jehovah Witness Gossip/Smear Campaign

by D8TA in

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well all i have to say is, look at the latest guest book replies by all those "wonderful loving brothers and sisters" (who throw mud, but fail to leave an e-mail address) as of late.. does any of this sound familar?

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ye old jehovah witness misdirect machine is in full gear now.

D8TA

Well all I have to say is, look at the latest guest book replies by all those "wonderful loving brothers and sisters" (who throw mud, but fail to leave an e-mail address) as of late.

Does any of this sound familar?

Ye Old Jehovah Witness Misdirect Machine is in full gear now.

Just take a look, you know the link.

D8TA

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Mars has water, what if it did/does have life?

by deceit in

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quote from cnn-.

"in a perspective piece in this week's science magazine, jim bell, professor of astronomy at cornell university, suggests these initial findings might just be the "tip of the martian iceberg," and that there may be large subsurface water ice deposits on our neighboring planet".

"mars was perhaps a lot like the earth a long time ago, early in its history.

D8TA

dont hold your breath, there is no life in this solar system. They will travel to Mars a billion times and won't find any life but that which we take there.

Err, so is this a statement or an opinion?

Since no one has actually GONE to Mars yet, and HAS NOT done any type of indepth scientific study on this "water", how can YOU postulate that some kind of life had not or does not exist?

D8TA

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Why Are People Here So Disrespectful At Times?

by Eutapro in

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eu has noticed that a number of persons making up this forum are guilty of showing disrespect to jehovah's witnesses.

some refer to jws as 'hovahs and others talk about kingdumb hells, all the time professing to follow christ.. some may justify their rude behavior by saying that jws themselves can be rude.

even if the charge is true, and eu is not really convinced that it is, why cannot ex-jws rise above the fray?

D8TA

Hilda-Euta-Non-Mystifool,

You are slipping again. Now before your retort to this accusation, your sentence and word structures always revert back to the SAME pattern. Had this been someone else, your structure would at least be different in SOME aspect. You lack any imagination what-so-ever.

Now...

::hands the freaky mental Troll Hilda-Euta-Non-Mystifool some finger paint::

Go play in the corner.

D8TA

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JR BROWN blames the elders, again.

by LDH in

so did any of you catch the dateline snippet with the letter being read?.

jr brown stated, "it is possible out of the 77,799 elders in the usa that a few of them did not follow directions.".

ain't that a shock, jr pinning on those damned untrained volunteers again?.

D8TA

Let J.R. Brown blame the elders. See, after all the civil lawsuits that will be filed against "elders" for this sitaution, the WBTS will not come to their aid. Then the people of the congregations will get the hint that "wow, I don't wan't to be an elder, to much responsibility". Just another crack in the WBTS building. People aren't stupid. When they see elders going to court and dealing with the hardships involved with a civil case, they'll be thinking twice about taking such positions. Patience and time. WBTS is already digging their own grave, with their own shovel.

D8TA

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! ! ! ! ! WORLD CUP -- C'MON ENGLAND ! ! ! ! !

by nicolaou in

okay, weve lost gerrard - that's the biggest blow in my book - but beckham seems almost up to speed.

do we have any chance of making it to the 2nd round?.

i think nigeria are more of a threat than sweden who we should beat.

D8TA

We here in the U.S. have a minor "football-soccer" following. I don't know much about FIFA, only that Brazil is in it. My wife is from Brazil. (help...someone save me...she is making me type this...OUCH...now she is using physical force!)

*cough* anyways...

I unofficially, under great protest and duress, have to type:

BRAZIL IS THE BEST DAMN FOOTBALL TEAM THERE IS!

(help! anyone? she's punching my arm!)

D8TA

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Why Witnesses Shun the World

by non_trias_theos in

"adultresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with god?

whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of god.".

james 4:4

D8TA

Which brings all of us to the question:

Why are YOU here non_trias_theos?

Why do you throw this scripture out, when YOU DON'T APPLY IT TO YOURSELF?

D8TA

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WAR & RUMORS OF (NUCLEAR) WAR

by You Know in

a question for all to consider is: if pakistan and india go nuclear, as seems to becoming more likely by the day, how long will civilization be able to stay intact without completely unraveling, and during that interval will ridiculers be able to maintain the delusion that nothing out of the ordinary is happening in the world?

/ you know.

> http://www.msnbc.com/news/753586.asp?pne=msn&cp1=1

D8TA

Hello You-Oh-I-Forget-Recent-History-Know,

So far the only nation on this planet that has dropped nuclear aresenal has been the U.S. ...and to my knowledge...errr, the world did stay intact and didn't unravel.

Then there was something called the "cold war". Remember? The "cold war"? The "every day threat" of Nuclear Holocaust? How about the Cuban Crisis? Remember? How the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. almost came to blows?

Same thing is happening with India and Pakistan. If they choose to engage in a nuclear exchange, it will not "unravel" the world. Welcome back to the daily issues of planet earth, this type of crap has been happening for a loooong time now. You possess no "special insight" on these issues.

Now...

::hands You Know some finger paint::

Go play in the corner.

D8TA

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This was just on silentlambs...how nice

by ashitaka in

"how dare you you should be ashamed of your selves because you know better i was raised for 30 years in the truth and all though i am no longer an atcive witness i canted belive what i just saw on tv to speak out like you did with half truths and outright lies you were never truly jehovah witnesses and never had real love for him.

[email protected] "

D8TA

Billygoat said:

God help me, PLEASE help me control my temper with these idiots!

I think this guy wish he had the self-control you possess...he sounds a bit pissed:

To all the Jehovah Witnesses and Jehovah Witnesses apologists who bash what this site stands for:
I dont give a crap about your theology or doctrine. You live in your own box, but that box resides in MY world.
If you want to stand up for your organization and it's policy of handeling internal problems, then you also ACCEPT the accountability.
This isn't about "oh Gee, everyone makes mistakes" bullshit. This about the law of the world you live in. If someone is a pedophile, then the community should be made aware of it. Even the ones who reside in the box of the Watchtower Society.
Remember: We the community DON'T ask you to come to our doors. You barge right in to our privacey as you see fit. If there is a pedophile knocking at MY door, you bet your ass I want to know about it. But since your system of handeling things pretty much adds up to "covering it up", the community has a RIGHT to know who is knocking at our door.
"People make mistakes" my ass. If they make a mistake that breaks the law, then they should be held accountable for their actions.
You Jehovah Witnesses don't live by yourselves in this world, the rest of us reside in it too. So if you fuck up, then take responsibility for your actions and quit your bitching.

*cough* *cough* ::looks arround innocently::

D8TA