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Climate Change. Yes the science is settled.

by mavie in

the science is settled.

special interests do not want you to think that it is.

"in a candid memo about political strategy for republican leaders, pollster frank luntz expressed concern that voters might punish candidates who supported more pollution, but he offered advice on the key tactic for defusing the issue: "should the public come to believe that the scientific issues are settled, their views about global warming will change accordingly.

uninformed

Hey MKR--------------

In fact, I've been to THREE climate/global warming seminars in just this last semester. I attended two at UNF one at FCCJ. The science IS settled on global warming. The earth is in a warming trend, case closed zip up your fly DONE that science is settled. The science that is NOT settled is how much influence (if any) we are having on the process. Two of the scientist said, maybe some, one of the scientist said maybe, none but all THREE said; A) nobody really knows for sure B) we should STILL concentrate on lowering emissions and lowering pollution. Which is a point I reiterated before being attacked.
All this "this scientist said absolutely positively 100% _____ " is crap. REAL scientist NEVER say things like that. Any scientist who DOES say something like that is not a real scientist. Politicians, pollsters, JW's, and argumentative Fox news announcers say things like that.
That said, global warming isn't really my main concern. My real concern is water. With no water to drink it won't matter if the average temp at bumfuck, NJ is 71 degrees or 72...

Are you 100% sure that the science is settled on global warming?

Brant

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Without using the Bible.........

by searcher in

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.......prove that the bible is true.. .

uninformed

Without using your brain, prove that you exist.

U

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Romans 8

by confused and lost in

i have just finished reading the book of romans and i have a question ?

a person cannot please god unless he is controlled by the spirit.

(rom 8:8,9) nor can he put to death the misdeeds of the body except by the spirit (rom 8:13) the next verse (v14) then tells us that all who are led by gods spirit are gods sons.in fact they are adopted as his children.however,according to the wts , these verses only apply to the annointed.so,my question is this.if only the annointed are led by gods spirit,whose spirit leads the "other sheep" ?

uninformed

I highlighted a verse from Romans that I have always pointed to when I thought the WT was getting to big for its britches. Below the scripture is a quotation from the WT that shows they don't believe in the book of Romans.

(Romans 11:17-24) 17 However, if some of the branches were broken off but you, although being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became a sharer of the olive’s root of fatness, 18 do not be exulting over the branches. If, though, you are exulting over them, it is not you that bear the root, but the root [bears] you. 19 You will say, then: "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." 20 All right! For [their] lack of faith they were broken off, but you are standing by faith. Quit having lofty ideas, but be in fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.22 See, therefore, God’s kindness and severity. Toward those who fell there is severity, but toward you there is God’s kindness, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise, you also will be lopped off. 23 They also, if they do not remain in their lack of faith, will be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree that is wild by nature and were grafted contrary to nature into the garden olive tree, how much rather will these who are natural be grafted into their own olive tree!

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w978/1pp.10-11ServingLoyallyWithJehovah’sOrganization***

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Still, Jesus loyally supported the temple arrangement. From childhood, he attended the festivals at the temple and often taught there. He even paid the temple tax—although he was not really obligated to do so. (Matthew 17:24-27) Jesus commended the poor widow for putting "her whole living" into the temple treasury chest. Shortly thereafter, Jehovah permanently cast off that temple. But until then, Jesus was loyal to it. (Mark 12:41-44; Matthew 23:38) God’s earthly organization today is far superior to the Jewish system with its temple. Granted, it is not perfect; that is why adjustments are made at times. But neither is it riddled with corruption, nor is Jehovah God about to replace it. Never should we allow any imperfections we perceive within it to embitter us or move us to adopt a critical, negative spirit. Let us, rather, imitate the loyalty of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.

Brant

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BETHELITES - Whatever Became of?

by Black Man in

jw
friends

i often times wonder what happened to certain bethelites that i ran around with during my 1990s tenure there.

while there are still a few left there, the greater majority of them aren't there for various reasons (marriage, disillusionment, left the borg, etc).

a couple of cats i wonder about - there was one brother who i believe was from kansas, who got his fingers cut off in a printing press.

uninformed

I went to bethel about 10 times in the 80's and early 90's to work in temp construction.

Laid brick or block at the wallkill farm on the e-bldg. Knew joe and sally brazil.

Underwood was one of my upper bosses. Gil Nazaroff was my boss when I worked in the Bossert basement under a guy named Joe and a younger supervisor named Mark Offit, who I really liked.

I worked on the sliver bldg outside in the winter 150 feet in the air on hanging scaffold laying bricks.

Knew Dickhead Ralph Ripley, Tim and John Lucas, a fairy named "White", and I had the horrible experience of being assigned Thomas F'in Jefferson as my table head. Up to that point in my life, (I was about 45), I had never met anyone more hateful and hypocritical than he and his wife.

I met George Smith and his wife, but when they were working in the garage.

Did anyone ever know Sam and Cherry Tate? I'd like to hear if anyone did, pm me if you can.

I worked for a Williams, who was in charge of the 360. Not too bad a guy.

Knew a Bob Ripley from the 70's Bethel. Also at Patterson as an non resident overseer. Kind of an asshole, but I liked him.

Quackenbush?--best talk I ever heard, "The Man From Nazareth".

Does anyone remember how Knorr threw him out of Bethel in the late 50's or early 60's. At the time he was editor of the Awake and Loving Brother Knorr reassigned him to a press. Quack left for years until Reverend Knorr went to his heavenly reward. (Jesus now works for him)

Does anyone remember either a JONATHAN JONES OR A THAD JONES? They are my sons and were both at Bethel in the late 80's and early 90's. Thanks be to God that Jonathan has also quit the borg. Thad is still worshipping the governing body instead of Jehovah and Jesus.

Brant

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Interesting article about religion

by Lo-ru-hamah in

http://www.religioustolerance.org/reltrue.htm .

happened across this article and thought it was really neat.

sheri.

uninformed

good find sheri!

I guess the single most decisive element of a person's life that determines "their" version of true religion, is what country they are born in and what religion their parents are.

what is sad is how sure we once were.

pop

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Was There A Specific Event That U Remember-- Realizing It Wasn't The Truth?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for me, it was a combination of things over a long period of time.

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how about you?

uninformed

The 'generation change' really tore me up. In my youth, I used to say that if they ever changed 1914 that I would really examine them with a disposition to leave.

Therefore, I was mentally on the way out in 1997 when the WT made the following statement:

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w978/1pp.10-11ServingLoyallyWithJehovah’sOrganization***

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Still, Jesus loyally supported the temple arrangement. From childhood, he attended the festivals at the temple and often taught there. He even paid the temple tax—although he was not really obligated to do so. (Matthew 17:24-27) Jesus commended the poor widow for putting "her whole living" into the temple treasury chest. Shortly thereafter, Jehovah permanently cast off that temple. But until then, Jesus was loyal to it. (Mark 12:41-44; Matthew 23:38) God’s earthly organization today is far superior to the Jewish system with its temple. Granted, it is not perfect; that is why adjustments are made at times. But neither is it riddled with corruption, nor is Jehovah God about to replace it. Never should we allow any imperfections we perceive within it to embitter us or move us to adopt a critical, negative spirit. Let us, rather, imitate the loyalty of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.

When I read that statement, "...nor is Jehovah God about to replace it" all I could think of was the attitude of the Jews at the time that Christ was alive, and their attitude of invincibility.

I turned to my wife at that moment and said, "Its over".

At that moment I was PO in Luling, Texas and it took me 7 more horrible years to make the break. The UN thing finally gave me the courage to look them in the eye and tell them to go screw themselves (of course in a civilized way).

Brant

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The Al Gore Nobel Prize Urban Legend

by 5go in

this urban legend is being spread by morons on the right.

first off there was no other man it was the un's .

intergovernmental panel on climate changewhich is not a man it is a panel of people, and it has not refused the nobel peace prize.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/intergovernmental_panel_on_climate_change.

uninformed

5go

Last time I checked, evolution WAS a theory, not an established FACT.

Global warming is theory.

Read--"State of Fear" by Crichton. As long as people are afraid, they need the governments to 'protect' them. 30 years ago it was a new ICE AGE on its way. Now its global warming.

What about the Cows with sunglasses and the "ozone hole disaster"?

Run scared, thats what this is all about.

Brant

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