Thank you BIGTEX
those questions I've saved for the next Elders visit if we get one.We've been going thru this for 12 years now and I've never put it into the structure that you have
Thanks
Steve
wozadummy
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A Thread To Note Questions That ThirdWitness Is Incapable Of Answering....
by hillary_step inat this stage i feel it prudent to start a thread on which all those who have been involved in debating thirdwitness and his behind the scenes cronies can begin to list questions that he is unwilling or incapable of answering.. i do this for two major reasons :.
1) to prove to all the thousands of lurking jw's that thirdwitness and his orchestra of theological mice are actually not able to defend wts theology without ignoring pertinent questions that seriously compromise their arguments.. 2) to prove to all reading this board, including the moderators, that thirdwitness is here not to discuss his/their theology ( which differs in some respects from wts theology ) but merely to preach their ideology.. i will be away from the board until tomorrow evening, but as you might have noticed i have posed numerous questions on various threads which thirdwitness has ignored, bypassed or bluffed his way past.
these will all be listed.
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Recommend a GOOD film - no snakes, planes or spandex superheroes.
by nicolaou init's been out a while and i know it's already been commented on here but i really enjoyed the village.
the creation of fear and the control that it allows must surely strike a chord.. recently i saw christian bale in the machinist.
bloody awesome!
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wozadummy
BEN HUR
Always makes me cry...a story of true family love
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Was you ever an attendent or had an attendent in the family?
by jayhawk1 ini got to thinking about the conventions and such today.
here is a guy... always a guy who is in charge of a section of seating.
his job is to get up every so often and count people.
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wozadummy
It was a good thing if kept in the perspective ,that is, to serve and assist and not to badger people.
Some really humorous things would happen and some tragic if someone passed away at an assembly.
I did this for years as part of the Security/Attendance department and there developed in the 80's here a real "cowboy" class who bought expensive radio gear like the cops and would walk around (should I say Strut) talking into their shoulder mikes etc. and the feedback from the R &F was of feeling watched and itimidated.
One funny time was in '88 when we went interstate to the Melbourne Assembly and the cowboys here thought they had "Security" thing all right and thought they would show the Melbourne Brothers in Security how it's done....it was so embarrassing! One guy we called Bro. Gadjet took his bright red station wagon over there and fitted a massive SECURITY sign on the roof with large orange flashing lights, and he that many CB antenae on it that it looked like a porcupine!
Caught him later one assembly day in the back of the wagon "monitoring" the assembly watching a football game on a portable TV.
Another time we chased a pervert away who had an extendable mirror to look into the womens toilets, and another time a large Asian man chatting up sisters with more than a pure motive on his mind!
Ah and then there was the crawling around under buildings with torches and mirrors looking for possible bomb threats in places no human had been for years.
As I was in charge of the bomb squad I once at an assembly had to shut down the podium area as a suspicious suitcase had been found earlier and cleared as OK , but we were put on high alert. Things were a bit jumpy back then as one Australian Kingdom Hall had been bombed and with loss of life.When I routinely inspected the back of the podium a case was found that belonged to no-one there in attendance and the lunch break was nearly over .So I shut the area down and no-one could leave or come in till we resolved the matter with runners as we could not use our radios.
Well who should barge his way through the security brothers but the District Overseer Franz Hoobler! Well he was not a happy man , me ,holding up his Assembly.
If anyone knows this guy you'll know what I'm talking about - well he raved on and on and finally I just let fly as reason was not going to persuade this man. I told him to back off and he would be escorted off the back of the podium if he did'nt go of his own accord !
By this time the department heads and local elder gods came and brought the owner of the case who was extremely embarrassed which diffused the situation as the cops were notified and all. Well that's my 15 minutes of fame and I thought I might get a severe reprimand but as it was no-one wanted to broach the subject after this ,but next assembly I was shifted to organising the food lines. I've never been sorry for doing my job at that time as the KH bombing was fresh and people mattered more to me than Franz Hooblers hurry to get the assembly program moving.
Steve
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ex-Bethelites - How many people at Bethel were anointed?
by Lady Lee in.
i read an interesting question on one of my threadshow many people at bethel were anointed?
how many of those were on the gb?can you estimate the percentage of people at bethel who were anointed vs non-anointed?
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Blondie
I think you've hit it - so that's why there's still 8000+ annointed and the number does'nt go down
When they get demented they get replaced......thank you for "the new light"
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Need mature advice on this one..........
by Sunnygal41 in.
is there anything that says that it consitutes an illegal act for a brother who served in a committee to then be the one to give the talk to the congregation?
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wozadummy
Aniron...." Also no one but the JC should know what was discussed at the JC. Thus avoiding speculation"
You must be joking - the Elders wives usually know and don't mind sharing
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FLUFF- Whats your guilty pleasure song?
by Asheron ini was driving home today and elo's "mr. blue sky" came on.
i sang my ass off (closed windows of course).
whats your guilty pleasure song?
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wozadummy
Thunder AC/DC
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Worst Thing Youve Done In A Meeting?
by chuckie77 inwhats the worst thing youve done during a meeting?
years ago, when i was a bit more wicked/naughty/younger than i am now, i thought i would take some drugs just prior to the meeting to see if it would make things any more interesting.
it didnt, but at least i enjoyed the kingdom melodies tapping my foot to the beat and bopping my head!!
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wozadummy
Well I never thought of the KH as a place of sexual arousement so I guess it must gone something like this before and during the meeting.......
Oh yes mummy I'm ready for the KH
Oh yes mummy I'll save seats for us when we get there
Oh yes mummy I'll just be quick in the bathroom
Oh yes Oh yes Oh yes Oooooh yes yes yes...........................................................................
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My Observation...How Come?
by wozadummy ini've nearly finished reading the 2 ray franz books and i've been on this forum for a few months and i've wondered about this:.
on both the books and the forum much is said about the watchtower lying ,misleading ,being a false prophet ,having no conscience toward the after effects of decisions they have made that have effected peoples lives ,even sometimes tragically.. well ,ok ,but my observation is this :very rarely ,if at all, does anyone say directly that the watchtower is lead and influenced by satan.does this mean that :.
ones have lost faith in god /religion because of the watchtower org and now don't really believe in satan now.
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Runningman & gary
Excellent points ,I guess I'm asking this so I get to know others here better ,but I am trying to understand others point of view apart from my own opinions that were formulated by leaving the org. I still believe satan exists and have not rejected the bible and Ray Franz has'nt but I'm puzzled as to why he has'nt come out and said satan is influencing the Watchtower to mislead people from Bible truth. Guess I'll have to write him if I can find an address.
Steve
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My Observation...How Come?
by wozadummy ini've nearly finished reading the 2 ray franz books and i've been on this forum for a few months and i've wondered about this:.
on both the books and the forum much is said about the watchtower lying ,misleading ,being a false prophet ,having no conscience toward the after effects of decisions they have made that have effected peoples lives ,even sometimes tragically.. well ,ok ,but my observation is this :very rarely ,if at all, does anyone say directly that the watchtower is lead and influenced by satan.does this mean that :.
ones have lost faith in god /religion because of the watchtower org and now don't really believe in satan now.
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Nicolai
Thanks for that ,I am serious at understanding things like this . I guess when one joins a forum it's because of some common interest or belief but in this forum it's not about say an interest in motor bikes that is in common ,but here it's about a religion and leaving .
I guess hearing viewpoints like yours it helps to know where a person fits in ,I mean if indeed most don't believe Satan exists anymore and someone here does, then the question comes up as to whether that person is realyy in the wrong place.
Steve
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My Observation...How Come?
by wozadummy ini've nearly finished reading the 2 ray franz books and i've been on this forum for a few months and i've wondered about this:.
on both the books and the forum much is said about the watchtower lying ,misleading ,being a false prophet ,having no conscience toward the after effects of decisions they have made that have effected peoples lives ,even sometimes tragically.. well ,ok ,but my observation is this :very rarely ,if at all, does anyone say directly that the watchtower is lead and influenced by satan.does this mean that :.
ones have lost faith in god /religion because of the watchtower org and now don't really believe in satan now.
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wozadummy
I've nearly finished reading the 2 Ray Franz books and I've been on this forum for a few months and I've wondered about this:
On both the books and the forum much is said about the Watchtower lying ,misleading ,being a false prophet ,having no conscience toward the after effects of decisions they have made that have effected peoples lives ,even sometimes tragically.
Well ,OK ,but my observation is this :Very rarely ,if at all, does anyone say DIRECTLY that the Watchtower is lead and influenced by Satan.Does this mean that :
Ones have lost faith in God /religion because of the Watchtower org and now don't really believe in Satan now
Or never believed in Satan as a person but only as a concept
Are scared to actually come forward and say that Satan uses the Watchtower for surely most would say they think the org is responsible for some horrible things (the Malawi/Mexico card issue)
The Watchtower has always blamed the world for being in Satan hands 2 Cor 4;4 so why is it that it appears that ones who leave and stand in direct opposition to the Watchtower do not in turn put the focus back on the Watchtower for being lead by Satan
Any one else wondered this ,or are we just locked in to the concept that all religion is just run by imperfect people who have no real right to say God is using them?
Steve