AudeSapere

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  Bethel public relations rep J.R. Brown tells Connie Chung GB are not directed by God nor are JW's better than others

  by williamhconley in

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  connie chung was interviewing j.r. brown wt public relations head regarding the pedophile manuel cano (50 yr old bethel elder) in 2006.. during the interview she asks j.r. brown if the wt considers themselves spirit directed or inspired.

  she also asks him if the jw's believe if they're the only true religion or channel to god.. the answer given by the public relations head will turn your head.

  what amazing liars they all are.

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  @williamhconley - I completely agree with you that this was a very, very eye-opening and important disclosure. Not doubt about it. And I would like to see it get more coverage, so I'm glad you re-kindled it.

  But we also have to be careful to get our facts straight. 'Close enough' is not really good enough when we have the attention of even one JW. We know that the WT often mis-quotes and misrepresents what people say. Most of us were not taught how to properly verify information and the importance of correct referencing.

  Why say it was Connie Chung in the first place? Was that to get people to pay attention more? It had the opposite effect and derailed your thread.

  But the original thread that I cited above has been re-activated and over 500 more views in the past 16 days. So that's great.

  -Aude.
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  DA'd then what to expect.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so the impending doom of the end is coming and i will not be df'd so they can tell others i sinned or something else.

  i will da, but not sure what to expect next and what they will say to my family and children.

  i have 5 kids one baptised and ofcourse a wife, so what should i prepare for??

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  I have not been following your story, but with family still in, why even *consider* DA'g.

  As far as the announcement and the cong treatment after the announcement, it is all the same thing. Although DA may be worse because they consider DA even more willful and apostacy is usually assumed to be the motivation.

  Why do you think you should DA?

  -Aude.
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  For anybody who is going to dissassociate.......

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i haven't officially because of family.

  but i see many times on this board those who do it it and write a letter to send a message.

  (hoping it gets the elders reading it to think).

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  If you are interested, here is the link to the "Going Out With a Bang" tread:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/20680/1/Going-out-with-a-bang#.UpxMk0qXrQI

  -Aude.
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  For anybody who is going to dissassociate.......

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i haven't officially because of family.

  but i see many times on this board those who do it it and write a letter to send a message.

  (hoping it gets the elders reading it to think).

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  JWN poster 'Littletoe' went out with a bang. He DA'd whilst delivering the public talk one Sunday.

  However, a few years later he said it maybe wasn't the best way to go.

  -Aude.
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  I sent my DA letter in yesterday.

  by quellycatface in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  feel like i've been in a car accident and i'm on the road to recovery....i wonder what will happen next??

  my husband, (non jw) says he would'nt be surprised if they df'd me as one or two elders are quite spiteful.

  can they can't fire me cos i quit, surely??.

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  DF or DA is sort of just semantics. The official announcement is the same and the shunning treatment is the same.

  Actually, DA is often considered worse as they assume apostacy, and therefore (almost) unforgiveable.

  A DA letter is not right for everyone. But for some, it is incredibly cathartic.

  I hope the letter gives *you* the closure and result that *you* want.

  -Aude.
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  Interview with an Apostate: Dazed but not confused

  by dazed but not confused in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  tell us a little about yourself and your family.. my wife and i are born ins.

  we have 2 beautiful children.

  whenever i run into jws i knew, they usually give me a hug and tell me they miss me.. how long have you now been out?.

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  You made his Halloween costume out of his meeting clothes! Brilliant~!! I bet you had more fun than he did with that project.

  -Aude.
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  Interviews

  by cofty in

  1. forum
  2. suggestions

  i am really enoying the many interviews that have been posted over the past few days, hopefully there will be lots more to come.. would it be possible to collect them all in a new sub-forum for future reference?

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  it would be a shame if they disappeared down the topics list never to be seen again..

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  AudeSapere

  I'm enjoying them, too.

  Until the 'new & improved' forum is complete, I think putting them under 'Personal Experiences' is an easy way to keep track of these great posts.

  -Aude.
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  No longer a former JW, I am now a Human Being

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  2. friends

  lurkers, debaters, haters, lovers, the lost, the found, and the misplaced.

  it's been a while, and i wanted to pop in.

  the point isn't to agree.

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  AudeSapere

  ATJ wrote: I would say one thing that is very important; Get it out. Bleed a bit. (But dress and heal the wound, lest it get infected) Get angry, get pissed, empathize, sympathize, love, help, and support. But don't forget to live outside this forum. I can say one thing with certainty: If all you have is this forum right now, please know, I, along with many others, have been there. Just don't stay there. If this forum is all you have, understand that this is a way station, a place to take a break, reorganize, and learn what you want to take with you on the rest of your journey.

  Thanks for popping in!

  -Aude.
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  lunch

  by Hortensia in

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  2. friends

  i had lunch with two ex-jws today.

  i wish i could meet more of you -- it's fun to hear everyone's stories and find out what they are doing with their lives..

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  Seriously true.

  I've never had a 'dud' meet-up with xjw's.

  -Aude.
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  Disfellowshipping - Why the Governing Body can not ease up on dissenters.

  by mindnumbed in

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  2. beliefs

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlbwnjglymu.

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  Threads like these really help me with non-jw family. Since I have some family still in, they don't understand why there is rift between me and my active family while the non-jws have done worse things - normal, but worse by jw standards.

  When I try to explain to them, they seem to try real hard to believe what I'm saying about the org but there is something in their eyes and voice that makes me think that they think/assume there is something terrible in my own past or that I'm just trying to cause trouble for my still-active relatives.

  So I try to avoid the discussion when I can.

  But when the conversation turns to those 'lovely' JWs in my life and my relationship with them, it's great to have a thread like this that I just send a link to. When 5, 10, 30 50 people post and all have similar experience, it helps take the personal emotion out of the equation and highlights that it is a system-wide problem inherent with the JW organization and JW mentality.

  Thank you for posting this. And special thanks to Data-Dog! - I had not read that transcript for a long time. Never knew of it when I was 'in', but played out conversation along that theme in my head when I started to awaken to my own 'Truth' about the truth.

  -Aude. (AudeSapere - meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself.)