Posts by DannyBear

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Who Will Cry For the Babies?

by Farkel in

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here's something i found on kent's site just now.

i wrote it december last.

i didn't know that he purloined it but then again, he purloins lots of stuff, and furthermore i don't save most of what i write.

The average jw (former self) really never allow themselves to ruminate, long enough or critical enough, to see the logical conclusions their teachings lead to. Instead they pacify their minds with expressions like 'gods will', 'gods purpose', 'his will', 'jealous god', all of which stop cold the thinking processes.

That is why your writing style is so benefical. You are able to strip the mantras and fall back spin words...before they get a chance to slip into 'nervana' or outright denial. You already used it and threw it back at em.

They may umph and moan, but the words ring true. Who knows, you may get a completely unused brain cell or two, to start firing again on all eight cylinders.

Nice work again.

Danny

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I attended the meeting tonight.....

by silentlambs in

i went to the meeting tonight to check out things in the local congregation.

this spiritual paradise is showing a few cracks.

when i arrived about ten minutes before the meeting started, i felt like a ghost.

DannyBear

Outnfree,

[quote]If I were sitting there in that meeting with MY children, MY children would want to know why ex-elder Brother Bowen was not being called on, even though he was trying his darnedest to show his love for Jehovah by participating in the meeting as so often admonished to do by the faithful and discreet slave. [\quote]

Oh please, I hope you are using a parody here. If not, you cannot even be remotely serious that Bro Bowen as you call him, is even a tad bit interested in sharing the worship of Jehovah with those he knows to be sexual predators. If he truly had that in mind, would he not have decided to visit another congregation, where these known pedophiles do not attend. Of course he would. As I remember individuals switched congregations like hats, back in the late 70's.

The actions he took on this occassion were wrong. The Kingdom Hall is not public property, its private. If they want to follow him around the toilet or out into the parking lot, they have a legal right to do so. If they choose not to call on him for comments, they have a right to do so. That is what makes joining a cult, so damaging. They can do pretty much what they please, inside the confines of property and religous rites.

It is my feeling that he will accomplish much more, doing what he has done so well.....alerting the outside public about the lies and deceptions....this type of 'I'll show you' conduct that gives the WTBS 'spin doctors' ammunition to throw mud, all they need to dampen all his hard effort's. Is he really concerned about the children, or is this just another disgruntled 'postal worker'?

Imo,

DannyBear

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I attended the meeting tonight.....

by silentlambs in

i went to the meeting tonight to check out things in the local congregation.

this spiritual paradise is showing a few cracks.

when i arrived about ten minutes before the meeting started, i felt like a ghost.

DannyBear

Had Enough,

Since I have not worn my jw hat in over 20yrs, it may be a little easier for me to take a bigger view. Much like you have recently experienced.... I remember the anger, bordering on hate, when I first realized the extent of the evil, self righteous attitude displayed by 'gods chosen people'. Time and again on this and other forums comments about not responding in kind, have accomplished far more, than resorting to 'payback'.

If you put the jw hat on (only to recall) and visualize the senario SL describes, would you consider his cause more seriously or less, after the event? If you were sitting there in that meeting with your children, how would you explain his conduct? Would the children then feel SL is a friend or foe? There is no excuse for juvenile, 'look at me' burning your tires, waving your hands at the 'teacher', just to disrupt or draw attention to yourself. He knew what kind of reaction he would get, he knew it would be ugly. Now everytime any of those jw's who witnessed this outburst, will have more reason to believe the 'party line'....apostates are demonized.

DannyBear

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I attended the meeting tonight.....

by silentlambs in

i went to the meeting tonight to check out things in the local congregation.

this spiritual paradise is showing a few cracks.

when i arrived about ten minutes before the meeting started, i felt like a ghost.

DannyBear

Silentlambs,

What motive could possibly move you to even want to attend another meeting?

Although your revelations of hidden child abuse are commendable, will you further your cause by 'burning tire rubber' in the parking lot at your local KM?

A completely unbiased onlooker, may in fact wonder why Silentlambs, needs in fact to rub their collective noses, with his unwelcome presence. Does your cause now revolve around Silentlambs as the real victim, or the children you want to protect?

DannyBear

82

Has anyone felt like leaving God altogether?

by lookingnow22 in

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i know that the answer is yes, but it would help me to hear your sentiments on this.

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after you decided that the wbts, and thus jw's were not god's chosen earthly organization did you feel like you wanted to leave and forget god altogether?.

DannyBear

Safe4kids,

Who says God has to be loving and active in our lives??

Maybe that whole senario or thinking goes right back to religon. Man keeps telling God how to act. Why is the thought that God may well have an entirely different agenda, than man says he does, so very difficult to consider?

Maybe man just doesn't get it.

Danny

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Has anyone felt like leaving God altogether?

by lookingnow22 in

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i know that the answer is yes, but it would help me to hear your sentiments on this.

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after you decided that the wbts, and thus jw's were not god's chosen earthly organization did you feel like you wanted to leave and forget god altogether?.

DannyBear

Captn Comf,

'Bullshit' about sums up the entire history of religious enterprise, ever since man started recording his fearful superstitions. It all stinks of self delusion and wishes.

Having come to the same conclusion as respects religon et al, it has not changed my belief in a creator or God Almighty. Maybe it is simply a hold over from my early indoctrination, or simply a childish need for some answers, I still can pray.

May sound simplistic, but one concept has always provided me the material for keeping or holding a belief in God. That one thought is based on the word 'infinity'. The concept of unbounded time and space is the kicker. For me, it is not much of a strech from this unexplainable concept...to allow for a personage who has and always will be around. I know this is a very narrow view of a very complex idea, but no one has been able to offer any substantive reason for thinking otherwise.

Enjoyed your story of self discovery. Thanks for sharing this very personal insight. It does open the door for more to share.

Regards

Danny

5

Lost Souls of the WTS

by FreePeace in

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i spoke with my mom earlier today on the phone.

it seems that she is discouraged, and her df'd son (me) is the only one who will give her some comfort.. she has been trying to witness to those in nursing homes for many, many years, and runs into all kinds of roadblocks from my dad (an elder) and the congregation, to the nursing home officials.

she honestly and sincerely tries to help these older people.

DannyBear

Free and Fark,

Way to many emotions expressed here for me to deal with. All I can say is everything you both expressed, I have been trying to deal with since I left in 1980. I was only 32 years old at the time, but I find myself resenting all the time wasted. I can't even imagine the dark hole one would face, at 70 coming to the realization you had been duped. Like T4S said its probably better that they don't have to face it.

Farkel I remember those sing alongs, and bbq's and get together's, they were filled with euphoria and great expectations. Even though you may not be able to replace or find the same intensity of feeling we all shared....our life now is based on reality not pipe dreams or the fanatical musings of some little pipsqueaks overactive imagination, who happened to be heir to a publishing empire, allowing him to promise the moon, but deliver squat. Just to bad ole JR and FF had to die....their toes should have been held to the fire by all those who can remember their blatant lies and deceptions.

Farkel, Freepeace you are both keeping those fires burning. Many toes are burning right now on Columbia Heights, Brooklyn. Or wherever those sneaky fds guys now hang their shingle. Probably all very nicely situated at Patterson. Meals maid service and all your needs, no questions asked...every person you see, worships your every utterance....poor old bastards have more that they deserve!

Danny

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Dear Brother "You Know"

by AMNESIAN in

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brother, please, if you would, inform as to exactly what your genuine view is of the wbts and, particularly, the gb in relation to bible prophecy, christianity, and its self-professed role as the so-called "fds" and sole spokesman for jehovah?

much of what you post (or, at least, the posts i've read) is clearly at tremendous odds with their published teachings, yet, on its face, your position seems to be as one of their staunchest defenders/supporters.

i don't wish to in any way ridicule you ---there's a bit too much of that around here (from you included!

DannyBear

You Know,

Talk about the lepord changing spots. You do 'take the cake'. Hell Robert, you are going 180 degrees in a different direction now, as compared to your years of ranting on old H2o. Then you were a staunch defender of the WTBS, now you are predicting their demise.

Could it be that your swan song final address on H20 revealed your true 'apostacy' toward 'gods organization on earth'? I think you have simply reajusted your agenda, even you can't explain away your 'goodbye revelation'. A faithful jw for 25years yeah, annointed another yeah, love your brothers and sisters uh huh.

As many posters already have pointed out, you may fool some of the newbies, and continue to get your jollies from creating a forum for your 'musings'. But you will soon find yourself dug into even larger hole, than you have previously dug for yourself. Soon the 'thought police' will be knocking on your door...you will not be able to explain away your heresy, you have arrived...you are unabashedly ONE OF US NOW. He Ha way to go.

For some unknown reason, even though your blatant dishonesty makes me cringe. Call me deranged or even silly, but I still hope for your final healing, a complete release from all the fantasy and doublespeak your poor mind is so thourghly cluttered with.

What a 'kick in the pants' it would be to see you out going from 'door to door' spreading the party line. Love to slip a few copies of your most recent essay's to the local body of elders, just before you join them for the first donut shop stop. My my the conversation would be just hummin wouldn't it?

Hope you record your judicial hearing. Then you can always play it back, as a reminder of the 'loving god and organization' that unceramoniously booted your ass out the door!

Welcome home Bobby.

Danny

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Musings on the WTS Funk

by Farkel in

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the watchtower society is in a funk.

no doubt about it.

it is stagnant and paralyzed by its own inertia.. it has survived for one and one quarter centuries for a few very simple reasons: .

DannyBear

Farkelmaster,

Ditto on the whole sad treatise.

Doing my own musings about life as a jdub, I will add only one caviat about this 'thinking for oneself'; the finely tuned and spiritual elite 'jw in good standing'....has no concept or experience with critical, independent thinking. As a matter of fact, they fear the very idea, of free thinking. To them (former us) it is like the ultimate taboo, on a par with serious sin, in fact if your independent mind isn't kept in check, you could possibly commit the 'unforgiveable sin'...now you remember, jeeez, talk about pressure..THE UNFORGIVEABLE SIN man. Theirs, yours and my brain were so conditioned against this basic human nature, freedom of thought, that it seems almost impossible to penetrate...I will go so far as to say, it is impossible, unless something or someone ignites the spark, that looses the flame. Once the fires of free exercise of will get going, very few will ever want to go back.

Perhaps that is why you continue to post...great work 'firestarter'!

Danny

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troubled [in need of answers]

by zev in

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today, i had a long, long talk with my employer.

this person is some one who can seperate work and personal things, so after feeling like i needed to talk to someone, and soon, before i crack up, i went to her and dropped the bomb.

she is not a witness, and because i cannot talk to a witness about what i have learned, for fear of the df'ing thingy, i feel safe in talking to her.

DannyBear

zev,

The hell you are experiencing will subside. The 'night tears' will visit you less and less as time does its magic. Everything you are feeling at this moment, is in no way unique.

Only slight variations of your story, tell mine as well. Even if you do not see it now, you have been in the process of leaving the cult for several years now. Attitudes about meeting attendance and the whole package of being a jw..have been eroding much longer than you might like to admit. This is good, it is normal.

The most important 'recording' to keep playing over and over in your mind is I'AM NOT WICKED, DOOMED, WORTHLESS, and most of all DEPENDENT, on anyone or group for life itself. Everything the controler's (jws) now confront you with, will by to excersise their will, their rules, their conscience onto you. DONT LET EM! Fight like hell man...they want to meet, you aint got the time. They want to discuss, you demand. They want to play games, you don't know how.

Your very self worth and image is riding on how well you fight back.

They can't win if you throw a smile back, as they loose a big sappy, headbowing, frown your way. The more enthusiastic about your life changes, you are, the more they stew in their own crap.

I wish that I had had all of the love and emotion, now being shared by these fine folks here on Jw.com. When I went through my hell 20yrs ago there wasn't any kind of support. You have more understanding among this group of cyber-analysts than you will ever find from some 'head shrinker' whose brush with a cult, may well have been a mild hazing at the local state Univ Alpha Omega House.

Private or public, I will consider it a privelege to offer any assistance I can.

DannyBear