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  Are there any good interviews/discussions that I can dowload to my iphone?

  by jambon1 in

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  i'm not very techi.. any help?.

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  I'm not very techi.

  Any help?
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  Memorial Hell

  by thecrushed in

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  today has been one of the most aganizing days since i woke up.

  my family has been pressuring me to show up at the memorial for the past week.

  it became very intense today with my dad texting me constantly to get me to confirm and when i didn't answer he would call my wife and then she would constantly nag me to answer my dad and so on and so forth.

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  Hi

  I can completely feel your relief and the feeling of freedom you gained by making a stand.

  I've been there, felt it. Cherish it because it's what we had sacrificed for years & years and is the main reason that I'll never return.

  The guilting? Well, get used to it. I still get comments & remarks from my wife & friends after seven years. But, on the occasions that I fight them or take them up on a point then things get all out of control & angry on their part. The shutters come down and they cry persecution or abuse.

  You know what is the most frustrating thing about having loved ones in the org? It's when you present the most calm, reasoned, well thought out argument against say, disfellowshipping. You give accounts of what it's like from the other side, how it makes people feel worthless, unloved, depressed. How it's not a punishment that is fitting any crime (apart from perhaps pedophilia). That people kill themselves after weeks & months of shunning. And then your loved one just looks at you and carrys on regardless. Even calling you 'blinded by the devil'. That's fucking hard.

  My life at the moment isn't great due to having kids who are now actively involved in the organisation. And a wife who doesn't cope with oposition or critiscism of the organisation. I don't know where to turn or what to do for the best.

  It's shit.
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  Yet another "Shunning is good for you, honest!" quote in the June 15th 2013 Watchtower

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi folks.

  that's right, the new june 15th 2013 study edition is out now on this link.... http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/28/w_e_20130615.pdf.

  the following quote caught my eye, from the final study article on page 28.... .

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  How embarrassing for them & their god.
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  What Would The Rank and File Do If The Governing Body Went To Jail Over Criminal Activity With Reguards To Failure To Alert Parisheners Of Child Molesters In Their Congregation?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i think it a very real possiblity:.

  http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/07/local/la-me-church-files-20130108.

  judge orders archdiocese to restore names in abuse filesthe public's right to know how the church handled molestation allegations outweighs officials' privacy rights, court rules.q: haven't several states extended the statutes of limitation in response to the abuse scandal?.

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  I once knew a brother who said that if the entire governing body were found to be paedophiles he'd still be 'serving Jehovah at the KH'.

  Me and this other guy who is still a very active JW, looked at each other with that "WTF?" look on our faces.

  I should have known then what a fight I'd have to free my family from this shit.

  Completely delusional to the point of embarrassing.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Shunning at it's very best! SHOCKING Jw.Org

  by BlindersOff1 in

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  found this on youtube fyi.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw8yu-r8g-8.

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  Bastards.

  Absolute bastards.
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  THE FINAL VERDICT IS DELIVERED!!!

  by Hobo Ken in

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  2. friends

  this is the final of my series of podcasts in which the 3 circuit overseers decide my fate as a jehovah's witness.. my blog- deathorobedience.blogspot.com.

  podcast 12 the final verdict- play the audio.

  also available free on itunes (just search on itunes).. .

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  Hi

  I'd be very interested to hear this podcast but it won't download to my iphone. I realise that this is 3 years old now.

  Is there any way to get it to work now or have it emailed?

  Please?
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  Believing that god arranges for £50 to be put through your letterbox while he ignores the cries of abused children

  by jambon1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  we've all heard these experiences.. in fact, jehovah's witnesses are obsessed with them.

  the pioneer who needed 80 to fix their car & somehow (without having told anyone .

  now, if you believe that these sort of experiences are true, you are basically saying that god is actively arranging help for someone who is in need.

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  We've all heard these experiences.

  In fact, Jehovah's Witnesses are obsessed with them. The pioneer who needed £80 to fix their car & somehow (without having told anyone ) the money appears in an envelope behind the door. Or a pioneer couple having no food left when their last route call of the day hands them a fish & some eggs. Generaly spouted forth from assembly platforms.

  Now, if you believe that these sort of experiences are true, you are basically saying that god is actively arranging help for someone who is in need. The whole point of the experiences is to show how god directly helps those who serve him.

  But what about the little child who is being abused or tortured at home. What about his prayer? What about his cries for help? Doesn't god hear these? Doesn't he feel compelled to give 'direct help' to that poor defensless child?

  Or are they saying that god is only interested in helping witnesses in a direct manner? Those who spend hours in the ministry?

  If this is the case, then what an asshole god is.

  My point? None of it makes sense.

  These are the things that used to play on my mind terribly. It just seemed so crass to make the bold claims of being 'helped by god' to pay some irrelevant, shitty, little bill while at the the same time, thousands of kids are being ignored. Left to get on with their horrible existance of abuse & emotional pain.

  These days, of course, I don't have to entertain the mental gymnastics of dilemas like this.

  It just seems such bullshit.
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  Stories of the bible

  by jambon1 in

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  2. friends

  seriously, do people really believe that these events actually happened?

  or that they are in any way justified oir right?.

  a guy and his small family gather up severy single living animal, bird, insect, puts them in a huge boat which saves mankind & all animal life.at the word of a prophet, a few bears tear apart half a dozen kids for calling a guy a baldy bastard.

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  Seriously, do people really believe that these events actually happened? Or that they are in any way justified oir right?

  • A guy and his small family gather up severy single living animal, bird, insect, puts them in a huge boat which saves mankind & all animal life.
  • At the word of a prophet, a few bears tear apart half a dozen kids for calling a guy a baldy bastard.
  • God killing Davids baby because of his adultery.
  • A guy being carried in teh belly of a big huge fish. And survives.

  I mean, cooooooooome on!

  
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  JC was formed, without even letting me know!?

  by magotan in

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  2. experiences

  no one will take my intent to da or df seriously.

  they called me again (three brothers this time) and asked me to meet with them.

  i had no intention of doing so....simply told them there was nothing to talk about.. .

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  Mogotan

  I faded very quickly. I walked out the KH one day & knew that I wasn't going back. I just told my wife I was leaving the 'truth'. I was a m/s at the time.

  Yes, the elders tried to contact me. One even showed up at the door even after being asked not to do so by my wife.

  I ignored any contact only telling them that I was in no position to discuss matters. I knew we'd just go round in circles and I'd have to be brutally honest about the religion that they hold dear, which I wasn't prepared to do.

  It's a bit different with you being gay. They may feel that they need to press you on a decision.

  Just be as evasive as possible while being as respectful as possible.
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  Do you think those at the top realise that it's their fault - suicide as a result of being disfellowshipped?

  by jambon1 in

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  2. friends

  i have been stunned to hear of two suicides in our area recently.. this adds to the other 3 that i have known of from the past.. the two recent suicides resulted from 1-the person being gay & hearing a horrific talk at the kingdom hall & 2-the person with problems who was disfelloshipped & then took his life the next week.. it astonished me that jw's in general don't rebel against this sort of thing.

  it's an appalling lack of support which leads people to feel distressed, abandoned & unloved.

  how the witnesses in the locality can just sail on without giving the cruelty of these measures serious though is beyond me.

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  Irondork:

  Indeed, I agree. Perhaps my use of words could have been better.

  I realise that many witnesses will feel utterly dejected & disillusioned about such things.

  It's just a great shame that this practise cannot be exposed as a form of abuse by the authorities & stoped.