Arthur

Joined

• started 21 topics
• posted 1,699 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Arthur

• 
  52

  Depressed witness going door to door

  by I quit! in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this morning i saw a witness mother and her son heading out into service.

  from the area they were in i think they were going to be doing some street corner work.

  i was stopped at a light when they walked in front of my car.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Arthur

  This poor kid was stooped over with his head hanging low. His book bag was almost dragging on the ground. I’ve seen kids going to the dentist who looked more cheerful than him.

  In a few years, he'll probably be coming onto this forum. Sometimes I wonder just how many people are in the organization right now who know something is deeply wrong, but haven't gotten to the point where they are ready to start asking the tough questions. The more the borg keeps beating the drum of "avoiding independent thinking", "avoiding the seeds of doubt", and "avoiding the internet", the more it is going to subconsciously tell people to do just that. It's like a husband telling his wife over and over again to never look in the garage. Yeah, that'll keep her out.
• 
  116

  The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

  (make sure that your pdf reader displays the whole page.).

  doug.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Arthur

  Watchtower apologists are always claiming that there are these "celebrated scholars" that no one knows about. The WT has no problem printing full color photos of the Governing Body members in the year book, but for some reason, the New World Translation Committee as well as the other "celebrated scholars" must be kept anonymous out of some notion of discreetness. I guess these celebrated scholars are some sort of secret weapon that the "Faithful Slave" is using to ward off the venemous propoganda of the evil slave.

  It reminds me of how the Iraqi Information Minister claimed that Sadam had a secret weapon that he was going to use to defeat the invading American forces. Turns out, the secret weapon was . . .well, an empty palace that smelled like b.o.
• 
  28

  Will the JW's become mainstream?

  by Save My Soul in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it seems over the years, the organization has done 360's on several topics.

  do you think they will ever go mainstream with their beliefs.

  for example, college is good, blood is a conscience decision (without punishment), ect....... .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Arthur

  Someone told my wife how sad she was because her daughter went to college. How pathetic can you get.

  I've always found it strange that university educations are so vigorously discouraged in Watchtower publications and talks, yet Bethel is more than happy to use the services of a JW who went to college to become an attorney, doctor, or engineer. If every Witness had actually followed the counsel of "the slave" and not gone to college, there wouldn't have been any loyal JW lawyers to fight those child abuse lawsuits. I guess the Society should be a little grateful for occasional disobedience.
• 
  19

  Need a good question to ask a JW at work

  by claytoncapeletti in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if you had to pick the best question that would disprove a scared jw belief what would it be?

  i am not looking to debate the meaning of a scripture vs. a different scripture, rather i am looking for one of their beliefs that science and or history can totally dispute.

  i may only be able to ask one question and there is a good chance that it will end up back to the elders.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Arthur

  The Watchtower Society requires that a baptismal candidate acknowledge that they are being baptized as a member of an organization before they can be immersed. - Ask him to show you one Scripture that teaches that a Christian convert must acknowledge being baptized in the name of the person / organization doing the baptizing; or where a Christian must be baptized into a particular congregation.

  Or, you could ask him to show you one Scripture that teaches that a person must join a particular organization or congregation to gain salvation.
• 
  28

  Will the JW's become mainstream?

  by Save My Soul in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it seems over the years, the organization has done 360's on several topics.

  do you think they will ever go mainstream with their beliefs.

  for example, college is good, blood is a conscience decision (without punishment), ect....... .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Arthur

  Going "mainstream" would also mean that they would no longer be a legalistic; tightly controled organization that employs the mind-control methods that it does. If they surrender these aspects, they surrender their exclusivistic identity. Excusiveness is their number one product. There is only one "faithful and discreet slave" - and that is them. Once this perception disapears, there is not much to differentiate the Kingdom Hall from the Baptist or Lutheran church down the street.
• 
  13

  How often do "Jehovah's Witness" related thoughts consume your life?

  by free2beme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i can honestly say, that several days and even weeks can go by, without me thinking about the witnesses.

  i come here and skip the witness related topics, unless they mention something about changes or new understanding.

  i just do not put a lot of focus on them, at this point in my life.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Arthur

  For right now, every single day. I am not DFd or DAd. But, I know that I will be DFd shortly. I stand to lose contact with all of my family and most of my relatives. I'm trying to prepare myself for it mentally and emotionally, but I know that it's something that no one can be completely prepared for.
• 
  27

  I'm 18 and I want my baptism undone.

  by LtCmd.Lore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was recently informed that i have the legal right to have my baptism nullified.

  but apparently there is a time limit on it.

  i have to do this before i turn 19. if i succeed, they will announce at a meeting that i was never a jehovahs witness, and i will not be disfellowshiped or disassociated.. i should also point out that i was baptised at age 9.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Arthur

  wow thats definitely a new policy i must have missed that thread. i should check this site more often. was there an article or BOE letter re this?

  Actually, this is nothing new. I remember in a thread several months ago, jwfacts had commented that he had a relative who had done this. If I remember correctly, this case had taken place a matter of years ago. However, this was in Australia. Certain laws and policies may differ here in the U.S. You should PM him and ask him about the specifics of his relative; he might be able to answer some questions.
• 
  7

  Stereotypes among fellow Witnesses

  by Save My Soul in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i read a great thread relating to race and it spurred some thoughts.

  it was mentioned that while a black speaker was on the platform, another brother made implied to that blacks could not have power/respect anywhere else.

  this made me think of many stereotypes in society and in the organization.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Arthur

  Let me open up my sweet memory album of JW ethnic stereotypes:

  Well, for one, I remember always hearing about how the brothers in Japan were much more spiritual (this being of course because the per capita number of pioneers over there was much higher).

  I remember always hearing how the brothers and sisters in the Spanish congregations were much more humble than the English. ( I say nay)

  I remember hearing that the sisters in Germany don't shave their legs or armpits (from the ones I met, I will concede this to be true).

  Last but not least, I remember hearing how we Americans are so materialistic, undisciplined, ungrateful, and complacent in comparison with the friends who live in "countries with hardships".
• 
  3

  HAPPY 4th of JULY everyone!!

  by Lady Liberty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  be safe, and have a wonderful time with your family and friends!.

  sincerely,.

  lady liberty.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Arthur

  I am ashamed to admit that I compromised my Christian neutrality by lighting a firework . . . a really big, loud, sparkly firework. I'm deffinately headed for gehenna.
• 
  20

  Video based on DC talk on "Superiority of Education by Jehovah" It's short

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it's only three minutes or so, let me know what you think.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctu6zjasupa.

  thanks,.

  w.once.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Arthur

  Oh, yee of little faith!

  Who needs algebra 101 when you can take Adventist Bible chronology 101 at the Kingdom Hall?

  Who needs to take economics when they can just read "Watching the World"?

  Who needs to take track and field when you can just do early morning service at bus stops?

  Who needs to enroll in drama class when you can just sit through a judicial committee?