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  My wife was in major JW mode last night, a few questions/comments I had

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well last evening, after a pretty normal afternoon, my wife went out and when she came back she was pretty hyped up about the truth....she started to ask me some questions.....she started with the trinity (they gave her another copy of the trinity brochure yesterday) and all i did there was ask her to look at the first four verses of john, the verses in colossians where the wts added (other) and then the first bit of genesis....then simply asked the question...who created the heavens and the earth?

  she went on a fact finding mission, never got an answer..... .

  well of course she could not end with that....so she started on the existence of hell.....well question for you all here, she read some of the recent public edition wt and it talks about satan being subject to torment...in wts teaching is there a 'hell' for satan.. .

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  insearchoftruth

  You are so correct y-not, most likely a knee jerk reaction.....I will do anything I can to keep my wife, just seems so distant right now as she is 'studying...'

  Thanks!!
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  My wife was in major JW mode last night, a few questions/comments I had

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well last evening, after a pretty normal afternoon, my wife went out and when she came back she was pretty hyped up about the truth....she started to ask me some questions.....she started with the trinity (they gave her another copy of the trinity brochure yesterday) and all i did there was ask her to look at the first four verses of john, the verses in colossians where the wts added (other) and then the first bit of genesis....then simply asked the question...who created the heavens and the earth?

  she went on a fact finding mission, never got an answer..... .

  well of course she could not end with that....so she started on the existence of hell.....well question for you all here, she read some of the recent public edition wt and it talks about satan being subject to torment...in wts teaching is there a 'hell' for satan.. .

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  insearchoftruth

  Would not be surprised to have the same conclusion here.......I know too much to even tolerate the organization, and I would prefer to be out before she is too far in......
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  My wife was in major JW mode last night, a few questions/comments I had

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well last evening, after a pretty normal afternoon, my wife went out and when she came back she was pretty hyped up about the truth....she started to ask me some questions.....she started with the trinity (they gave her another copy of the trinity brochure yesterday) and all i did there was ask her to look at the first four verses of john, the verses in colossians where the wts added (other) and then the first bit of genesis....then simply asked the question...who created the heavens and the earth?

  she went on a fact finding mission, never got an answer..... .

  well of course she could not end with that....so she started on the existence of hell.....well question for you all here, she read some of the recent public edition wt and it talks about satan being subject to torment...in wts teaching is there a 'hell' for satan.. .

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  insearchoftruth

  I did not enter the discussion on the Trinity, she went there and I went away from it......she has been armed with all the basic tools....denial of Trinity, Paradise Earth and no hellfire......and the proof texts used for each of those topics....

  I may not agree with these doctrines, but they are not the dangerous ones, blood doctrine, disfellowshipping, and the present stance on education are the dangerous things that I see, as well as the separation of folks from their friends who are not JWs.
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  My wife was in major JW mode last night, a few questions/comments I had

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well last evening, after a pretty normal afternoon, my wife went out and when she came back she was pretty hyped up about the truth....she started to ask me some questions.....she started with the trinity (they gave her another copy of the trinity brochure yesterday) and all i did there was ask her to look at the first four verses of john, the verses in colossians where the wts added (other) and then the first bit of genesis....then simply asked the question...who created the heavens and the earth?

  she went on a fact finding mission, never got an answer..... .

  well of course she could not end with that....so she started on the existence of hell.....well question for you all here, she read some of the recent public edition wt and it talks about satan being subject to torment...in wts teaching is there a 'hell' for satan.. .

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  insearchoftruth

  Well last evening, after a pretty normal afternoon, my wife went out and when she came back she was pretty hyped up about the truth....she started to ask me some questions.....she started with the Trinity (they gave her another copy of the Trinity brochure yesterday) and all I did there was ask her to look at the first four verses of John, the verses in Colossians where the WTS added (other) and then the first bit of Genesis....then simply asked the question...who created the heavens and the earth?
  
  Well of course she could not end with that....so she started on the existence of hell.....well question for you all here, she read some of the recent public edition wt and it talks about Satan being subject to torment...in WTS teaching is there a 'hell' for Satan.
  
  Well not sure how we got on the topic of blood, but we did so I asked her if I needed to assign someone other than her for my medical power of attorney to ensure that if I am injured that the medical professionals would do ALL they could to preserve my life....she looked quite perplexed and said she will need to get back to me on that. I then asked her if she realized that the WTS now has blood fractions as a matter of conscience...well she said that the Bible is black and white on issues, there is no in between....well I asked her what are fractions then. I also asked her if the WTS and the Bible say that blood should not be stored, but poured out on the ground....she said she didn't know....well I asked her how fractions are derived.....
  
  Well now she was in a tail spin and I pretty much left her to go.....she is thinking, but I will guaranty you when she heads off to work, she will call the study sister or someone else in the congregation for information.
  
  We got on the topic of 'if it is the truth, it should stand up to inspection...', she agreed but refuses to look at any website other than the official JW website.
  
  Oh, one more thing, she claims she is going to be trying to look up the references in the Trinity book...that could be very interesting.....
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-09-08 WT Study (ESCAPE)

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  comments you will not hear at the 11-09-08 wt study (september 15, 2008, pages 3-7 (escape).

  review comments will be in red.

  q 20. why can we trust in jehovah as our "provider of escape"?

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  insearchoftruth

  Thanks again Blondie, my wife should be home soon, so at least I have an idea what her mindset may be from the WT study, I just wish I knew what the public talk topic was so I could preview that outline!
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  Appreciate any information on "All Scripture is Inspired by God......"

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i think the kh is cleaning out their book supply on my wife, last night she went to the meeting (ministry school/local needs) and this morning there is a copy of 'all scripture is inspired....." sitting on the kitchen table.

  is there any low hanging fruit in this book that i may be able to ask questions about????.

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  insearchoftruth

  Thanks Oompa, pm'd you my email addresses!!! Very interesting!!!
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  How do those who 'live forever' atone for their sins?????

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in theory......... a jw who survives as part of the gt, is restored to perfection during the 1000 years, and remains faithful, surviving through satan's last stand will be offered to drink from the fountain of life freely..

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  insearchoftruth

  Leolaia,

  Thanks for the information and answers, I always enjoy reading what you post, very detailed, logical and well documented....

  Thanks again everyone!!!
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  Dec 15th & Jan 15 Watchtowers - change of thought?

  by dozy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just been having a flick through the dec 15 & jan 15 jw only watchtowers.

  (and no - i dont know how to pdf them or anything else!).

  unusually there isnt a single mention glorifying the fads - in fact , jehovahs channel or any other similar expression isnt referenced at all (other than a single scriptural reference in the review of revelation in the dec 15th issue.).

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  insearchoftruth

  stilla,

  More authoritarian or more mainstream???

  Having never been a jw, I do not know the history, but when I look at the mags/pubs I can see some softening in the public editions, but the insider editions are definitely seeming to be more hardline....
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  Christian Science Monitor gives up printing paper - will the WT follow?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from next year the christian science monitor will publish only via the internet.

  other newspapers look set to follow.

  the christian science monitor is a different sort of publication to the watchtower now i know, but given the history it's interesting to ponder if the watchtower magazine will be relegated to an online version only too at some stage.

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  insearchoftruth

  As long as the 'publisher' has to pay for the mags when they pick them up, and then any donations get turned in as well, the society will continue to distribute magazines/tracts.....fs is something to keep people busy rather than associating with other non-jw folks
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  How do those who 'live forever' atone for their sins?????

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in theory......... a jw who survives as part of the gt, is restored to perfection during the 1000 years, and remains faithful, surviving through satan's last stand will be offered to drink from the fountain of life freely..

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  insearchoftruth

  Thanks Blues, so that is the logic, those who live through the big A are ransomed by Jesus, the rest die to atone for their sins....interesting, and oh so messed up!!!!