Posts by thecarpenter

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"Every lie is an untruth, but not every untruth is a lie"

by becca1 in

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so says the february 1st 2007 watchtower in bold print on page 6.. the name of the article is: why be truthful?.

under the subheading, what is a lie?

it reads:"every lie is an untruth, but not every untruth is a lie.

thecarpenter

Righto. Plus this concept of there being modern-day "replacements" for anointed ones who don't "hold fast" is ridiculous. Supposedly the 144,000 were sealed in 1935. Since then, how many professing to be anointed have come forth? I submit thousands. Who were these thousands replacing? Those "anointed" JWs who went bad after 1935? That many fell away? How much longer can they keep spouting this stuff?

This is why they are false prophets, instead of admitting they don't know, they push ahead and spew forth more nonsense. That's the problem with being overly dogmatic, eventually. you get your ass handed to you.

What is so egregious about this is that they demand a high level of acceptance and conformity even though they know how highly speculative this is. The enormity this unethical conduct is shocking, it leave you shaking your head in disbelief.

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80's Metal

by troucul in

i'm downloading songs for a 80's metal cd.

i got cinderella, white lion, europe, autogragh, asia, poison, trixter, white lion, enuff z' nuff and ratt.

am i missing anyone?

thecarpenter

Oh oh, alot of ex-jw's listen to the devil's music... I think you need to visit your local kingdom hall and flush out your brains with watchtowers... not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Protect your assets, use a JW

by startingover in

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subject: excerpt from book.

"how to protect your identity and your assets" by j.j. luna.. .

although they call their church buildings "kingdom halls" we look them .

thecarpenter

hmmm, two of my previous jw girlfriends did cleaning work... one of them went back to school and left the organization before I did. (I was the doubting one and she was the one defending the org, go figure)

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Gross things little boys did this morning..........calgon take me away!

by kitten whiskers in

prepare to be grossed out.

if you've never been around little boys, you're gonna flip.

my kids had the neighbors over for a sleep over last night.

thecarpenter

lol, reminds me when I was a little boy! I didn't do the gross stuff but I was a little mischievous... >:P I did torture the family cat, occasionally putting a sock on her head or putting her in a box and watch her try to squeeze out... she still liked me anyway.

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"Every lie is an untruth, but not every untruth is a lie"

by becca1 in

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friends

so says the february 1st 2007 watchtower in bold print on page 6.. the name of the article is: why be truthful?.

under the subheading, what is a lie?

it reads:"every lie is an untruth, but not every untruth is a lie.

thecarpenter

The society put this quote in the magazine for a reason, the article had to be suggested and then approved by a committee. There has been so much old literature resurrected that exposes the organization that they have to find a out for the willful deception. I certainly don't buy into the 'but we really believed it' nonsense, there is too much evidence to suggest otherwise.

Here is where the Society will get hurt on this issue: They utterly refuse to accept constructive and critical review of their works by professionals, and by rank and file JWs, and former JWs who can show them the serious errors the Society still promotes. Thier stubborn refusal of, and willing blind eye to, information that is critical and corrective of their published material is a form of lying by omission. It is no different from a political, business, or military leader who tells subbordinates to go ahead with some conduct, but just don't tell the leader about it ... so that the leader has plausible deniability.

They are trying to preserve what little credibility they have so that a the very least, they could say they 'meant well'. Unfortunately, they still insist on a high level of control over the lives of the members to the point that it shatters families, causes all sorts of psychological harm, and steal years of life from each individual who buys into it. Their willful blindness is dishonest and unethical; their self-serving interpretation of the scriptures make them false prophets and charlatans.

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Worthwhile activities for new ex-jws

by thecarpenter in

before i stopped going to jw meetings, i was slowly fading away from the organization.

my abrupt cessation of meetings after reading crisis of conscience sort of left me with large amounts of time on my hands.

although i had somewhat eased myself back it normal activities relatively fast, i realized that i had close to ideal circumstances to leave the organization (i had good friends who also left at the same time, non-witness family members, i don't run into witnesses that often if i am not going into the kingdom hall, etc...) .

thecarpenter

Before I stopped going to JW meetings, I was slowly fading away from the organization. My abrupt cessation of meetings after reading Crisis of Conscience sort of left me with large amounts of time on my hands.

Although I had somewhat eased myself back it normal activities relatively fast, I realized that I had close to ideal circumstances to leave the organization (I had good friends who also left at the same time, non-witness family members, I don't run into witnesses that often if I am not going into the kingdom hall, etc...)

I was wondering what advice would you give someone who is just leaving and may not have ideal circumstances?

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Classifying the Watchtower Society?

by The wanderer in

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classifying the watchtower society?taking a closer look at the watchtower society after being a witness, .

how would you classify the society?

some individuals would compare.

thecarpenter

Well, it sort of reminds me of the Millerite movement in which it attracted a lot of adherents to the cause with seemingly plausible conclusions about the bible and the end times. Perhaps the only difference is that when the prophecies failed with the millerites, they disbanded; the watchtower dishonestly switched their conclusions and revised their history. They started out with good intentions but ended up being a unethical christian organization with cultish leanings.

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Miss Field Service?

by searching4truth in

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i was just thinking today about the old days going door to door and street work and i have some very fond memories of those days.

coolhand and i used to go in street work everyday together when we were pioneering.

i used to be my happiest when i was in the preaching work.

thecarpenter

This is an interesting question. Honestly, there have been certain aspects of the field ministry that I miss, such as the beautiful spring days when I had a chance to work out in the service with some 'friends' from the hall, but for the most part, I really didn't enjoy the service. I did it out of a sense of obligation, a sense of Christian duty. I was pretty good in the field service, pioneered for several years, brought 6 people in and could overcome many objections but as time went on, I realized that I was struggling teaching certain doctrines that I had difficulty believing. I was in the organization for 22 years and the last 10 I sort of coasted more and more, involving myself in the RBC, Ministerial and hall related duties in order to avoid going out in service. The last three years, I hardly went out door to door at all, it didn't feel right anymore.

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What I Learned at the at the 2 Day Assembly...

by becca1 in

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1- "jehovah does not want us to be rich".

other religions teach that god helps us to become prosperous.

jehovah does not do that.

thecarpenter

It is absolutely amazing that these 'glorious ones' can make such blanket statements and yet people still accept it, even begrudgingly. I really do think that the organization is marginalizing itself to an even greater extent as time passes. Although the nonsense is obvious to those who left as well as those who are unfamiliar with the belief system of JDubs, I can't help but think that this type of dribble divides witnesses themselves into polarized groups, the more fanatical and unbalanced to the more liberal and accommodating individuals who have been burnt by bad counsel previously and repeatedly.

It kind of makes me glad when I hear encouragement like this coming from the platform by the upper echelon of the organization because more people are going to be frustrated by this nonsense. This is the main reason I left the organization... eventually you realize the king has no clothes.

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How are you ringing in 2007?

by frozen one in

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i'll rephrase that so not to appear so us-centric.

how are you or how did you ring in 2007?.

the last few years have been very low key.

thecarpenter

Just got back from Time Square, NYC... wow was it crowded. The weather was warm, the crowd excited but there were too many people, we were all squished together. But it was fun to watch... next year I plan to go again but this time I will arrive a few hours earlier and bring a folding chair. Maybe I'll hold up the new JWD sign in front of ryan seacrest.