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  Point of Clarity.

  by Deacon in

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  the anointed.. according to common belief among jw's, the anointed class are the only recipients of the christian greek scriptures, that is to say, it is aimed directly for the ones with the hope of heavenly association with jesus christ.. now, we have been taught that the anointed class are here to teach, and help the secondary class, ie the earthly hopers, to learn about jehovah and his promises, and by association with them....gain salvation through the ransom sacrifice.. so, according to published figures, there are between 8 and 9 thousand partakers of the emblems left on earth.

  correspondingly, according to written word from the gb, the sealing of the anointing concluded in 1935.. the latest additions to the governing body, are in their 50s.. the governing body membership fluctuates from 4 to 18 depending on where in the 20th century, 21st century it was at the time.. the society is not really aware of the names addresses or reliability of those claiming to be anointed, or indeed take messages or advice from them.. let me get this right.

  the christian greek scriptures give the commission to all those sealed in knowledge with christ to preach and teach and do the work.

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  Deacon

  That is against scripture TMS....
  hmm..
  getting clearer all the time...
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  Point of Clarity.

  by Deacon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the anointed.. according to common belief among jw's, the anointed class are the only recipients of the christian greek scriptures, that is to say, it is aimed directly for the ones with the hope of heavenly association with jesus christ.. now, we have been taught that the anointed class are here to teach, and help the secondary class, ie the earthly hopers, to learn about jehovah and his promises, and by association with them....gain salvation through the ransom sacrifice.. so, according to published figures, there are between 8 and 9 thousand partakers of the emblems left on earth.

  correspondingly, according to written word from the gb, the sealing of the anointing concluded in 1935.. the latest additions to the governing body, are in their 50s.. the governing body membership fluctuates from 4 to 18 depending on where in the 20th century, 21st century it was at the time.. the society is not really aware of the names addresses or reliability of those claiming to be anointed, or indeed take messages or advice from them.. let me get this right.

  the christian greek scriptures give the commission to all those sealed in knowledge with christ to preach and teach and do the work.

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  Deacon

  I asked two elderly anointed in a retirement home when the last time the GB talked to them or asked their advice...they replied "never..we just went on our way preaching the best we could..they probably dont even know we exist, but they keep feeding us spiritually"

  confusing isnt it?
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  Point of Clarity.

  by Deacon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the anointed.. according to common belief among jw's, the anointed class are the only recipients of the christian greek scriptures, that is to say, it is aimed directly for the ones with the hope of heavenly association with jesus christ.. now, we have been taught that the anointed class are here to teach, and help the secondary class, ie the earthly hopers, to learn about jehovah and his promises, and by association with them....gain salvation through the ransom sacrifice.. so, according to published figures, there are between 8 and 9 thousand partakers of the emblems left on earth.

  correspondingly, according to written word from the gb, the sealing of the anointing concluded in 1935.. the latest additions to the governing body, are in their 50s.. the governing body membership fluctuates from 4 to 18 depending on where in the 20th century, 21st century it was at the time.. the society is not really aware of the names addresses or reliability of those claiming to be anointed, or indeed take messages or advice from them.. let me get this right.

  the christian greek scriptures give the commission to all those sealed in knowledge with christ to preach and teach and do the work.

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  Deacon

  The Anointed.

  According to common belief among JW's, the Anointed class are the only recipients of the Christian Greek Scriptures, that is to say, it is aimed directly for the ones with the hope of heavenly association with Jesus Christ.

  Now, we have been taught that the anointed class are here to teach, and help the secondary class, ie the earthly hopers, to learn about Jehovah and his promises, and by association with them....gain salvation through the ransom sacrifice.

  So, according to published figures, there are between 8 and 9 thousand partakers of the emblems left on Earth. Correspondingly, according to written word from the GB, the sealing of the anointing concluded in 1935.

  The latest additions to the Governing Body, are in their 50s.

  The Governing body membership fluctuates from 4 to 18 depending on where in the 20th century, 21st century it was at the time.

  The Society is not really aware of the names addresses or reliability of those claiming to be anointed, or indeed take messages or advice from them.

  Let me get this right. The christian Greek scriptures give the commission to all those sealed in knowledge with Christ to preach and teach and do the work. The WTBTS say the sealing was completed in 1935 yet appoint men of youthful years, accepting their claim of anointing against their own stated understanding. The Governing Body do not acknowledge or take correspondence or advice from co sharers in the heavenly hope, but direct them too. and goodness gracious gravy!! There are women who claim to be of the anointed as well!

  I guess the point is, there is a fundamental closed mentality and basic dishonesty in what is written, and what really happens.

  This I understand. Its the only thing that makes sense.
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  Thank You Ray Franz.

  by Martini in

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  hello friends,.

  in a thread over at witnesses.net entitled "society bracing for law suits" fellow jw's are taking swipes at ray franz.

  not too long ago, while i was still under the wt spell i also would have similarily spoken abusively of ray.

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  Guyz

  I dont think you are seeing the reasons behind Wiz's post.

  Why should he believe anything written anymore by an ex member of the GB?

  His whole world has been shattered, his emotional and mental credulity has been evaporated by the longterm indoctrinated belief system that has now failed him.

  It will take a while for him to settle.

  Allow him his search, his honest comments and his feelings time to settle.

  I cannot find it in me to be critical of his pain. And I dont believe Ray Franz would either..

  no.. I think Ray would understand.
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  Where Do I Go Now? Is There An Answer??

  by individual in

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  with all the problems in the 'truth' and all the things that we know are wrong with it there seems to be aspects of their theology (i.e the sequences of the world powers, statue in daniel, the promise of world restoration again found in daniel) that to me still make sense.

  although i cannot follow a religion that believes in the destruction of all humanity barring those that respond to their own preaching work i still believe in a creator and cannot accept the teachings of other religions that have no purpose for the earth and believe that mankinds only destiny is in heaven.

  my mind keeps telling me that if god was behind a religion it would be so much better than that of the jws.

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  I just read crisis of concience and in search of christian freedom by Ray Franz.

  You will cry for 10 days after...

  but you will know where to go.

  Borders sell it or Randy Watters.
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  Reform....why?

  by Deacon in

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  the organization cannot be reformed from outside; that can only come from individuals who have the guts and will to do so inside, and the determination to get rid of hardline thinking that is so strangling.

  my personal desire is to see immediate change regarding the child abuse policy, and that will come.

  to see a clear, quick change in the horribly inconsistent blood policy rather than drag it out over years; kids are dying in the process.enforced shunning is also an evil that they will have to deal with eventually; it's ripping them apart.. .

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  Deacon

  After careful consideration, I have decided to not answer YK's comments or respond to further comments from him.

  why?

  YK has invalidated his position by his presence here in defence of his professed religion.

  It is against the principle that he espouses.

  His words therefore carry no merit or weight, merely fill up the page with hypocrisy and vitriol.
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  My stepfather died tonight

  by Mulan in

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  i have just finished making phone calls informing the family of the death of my stepfather.

  i was an adult when he married my mother, but i loved him very much.

  he was a wonderful man.. although he was a faithful jw, for his entire life (he was born to it) he was a really good man, and a true christian, i believe.

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  Marilyn,

  Im so sorry....
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  Reform....why?

  by Deacon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the organization cannot be reformed from outside; that can only come from individuals who have the guts and will to do so inside, and the determination to get rid of hardline thinking that is so strangling.

  my personal desire is to see immediate change regarding the child abuse policy, and that will come.

  to see a clear, quick change in the horribly inconsistent blood policy rather than drag it out over years; kids are dying in the process.enforced shunning is also an evil that they will have to deal with eventually; it's ripping them apart.. .

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  JT..
  Thanks..I spent an hour reading through some of his previous posts and came to the same conclusion...only in my hall, if he had admitted to hanging out wiv 'prostates...we would've dun him..lol..sigh the arrogance of the situation...

  however..he is the best reason I have seen in a long time for birth control...
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  Reform....why?

  by Deacon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the organization cannot be reformed from outside; that can only come from individuals who have the guts and will to do so inside, and the determination to get rid of hardline thinking that is so strangling.

  my personal desire is to see immediate change regarding the child abuse policy, and that will come.

  to see a clear, quick change in the horribly inconsistent blood policy rather than drag it out over years; kids are dying in the process.enforced shunning is also an evil that they will have to deal with eventually; it's ripping them apart.. .

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  Deacon

  You know...

  You know, you cant read or comprehend.
  I stated that as an elder I would have no problem disfellowshipping you. I did not say I now serve in that capacity.

  Go tell your elders of your present mindset..of your prophesies...go tell them of your involvement here..

  I give you 45 minutes of their time before you are disfellowshipped.

  for that is the law you are under.

  I KNOW that you are classed as apostate as does every other poster on this board....

  its in the rules youknow...

  get this and get it good...by definition of the religion you adhere to, you are a filthy no good scummy worthless piece of dung waiting to be destroyed at Armageddon by virtue of your prophecies and being here...

  Want proof? just do what I suggest above....

  Approved association with Jehovahs Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible including those scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovahs Witnesses.

  Watchtower April 1st 1986 page 31.

  Your defence is bluster, your logic has been assailed and your grip on reality is tenuous...
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  Reform....why?

  by Deacon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the organization cannot be reformed from outside; that can only come from individuals who have the guts and will to do so inside, and the determination to get rid of hardline thinking that is so strangling.

  my personal desire is to see immediate change regarding the child abuse policy, and that will come.

  to see a clear, quick change in the horribly inconsistent blood policy rather than drag it out over years; kids are dying in the process.enforced shunning is also an evil that they will have to deal with eventually; it's ripping them apart.. .

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  Deacon

  And that is the crux of the matter JT....

  Is it Gods organisation going through a bad time..or is it yet another form of false religion.

  But the question is...do we have anything to reform?
  Are the basic tenets, doctrinal understanding, channelling from God really there within the WTBTS?

  If it is, then do have to just wait for Jehovah to rectify it..

  Reform can come about I suppose by waiting for Jehovah to do it....

  or just by waiting..and allowing him to do it..

  or by accepting that it is a false ideology and walking away..

  a hard choice to be made....