Posts by Deacon

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by Amazing in

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i brought your comment out from my "hammer" post because it seems like a separate issue:.

you said, "it would have been amazing, amazing, if you had concurred with any of the points i made.".

i would have if i had found something to concur with.. "why do you feel the need to justify yourself in the other side of your life?

Deacon

a private person...
mmm...
Yes.
You would know me...

In a past life I was one of those people that used to put humans together after anger and revenge pulled them apart....after listening to angry and frustrated soldiers (amazings).....watch them go out go out and kill a few people.

You spoke of Amazing explaining himself fully..after he calmed down....

After these guys calmed down...it was too late.

I think there is a common assumption here that everyone is in control of themselves...Im afraid that isnt true...in the heat of the anger, with a weapon in hand...someone is dead...
rationalising afterwards...well..too late.

Mr Amazing has spent a lot of time justifying his stance, his words, and his opposition to my fantasies. I wish that he wouldnt confuse me, confuse me with someone who really cares a jot. Bottom line here, someone like me, will go out and pick up the pieces of another dead or hurt human...who got caught in the jingoistic crossfire of wearing his heart on his sleeve people.

Well Mr Amazing...are you now completely happy that you have defended your position with a whole topic devoted to me? I should be flattered, but really all I see is the blusterer that you are.

You now state there is a difference in how you would act as a member of government to your stated message on the board.
You also stated that you were anointed as one of the "remnant" whilst a practising Jehovahs Witness. Was that another acting and speaking different phase you go through? Was being a Jehovahs Witness not enogh for you? Was it another wearing emotion on your sleeve?
Just where do you have consistency Amazing..?

People like you make me really angry for those that are taken in by your apparent position of authority. Farkel has already called you on it...I just see the inconsistency of you as a person travel through your writings.

Ther was a whole paragraph missing in my post, hence the conjunction of military and kingdom hall reference....it happens...and I cant remember the context, so I will chalk that victory to you.

I believe at this juncture, the best thing to do is that I cease communications with you as a contributor on this thread. We have differing viewpoints and fundamentally are poles apart on ethics and accountability...

I leave the last word to you...you will take it anyway.

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HIT with a Hammer

by Amazing in

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friends

in conjunction with my appeal for calm, i might add that when we are working on a construction project and hit our thumb with the hammer, we might scream, cuss, and throw the hammer at something out of a sense of anger with the event and with ourselevs.. if my co-wroker hits me with the hammer, then i might turn and take a swing at him out of an immediate reactive sense to defend myself.

likely, i might cuss him out, scream, and threaten.. as the pain subsides, i might then start to calm, and look at what happened and determine needs to take place.

i could accept an apology and move on, or if i thought it was deliberate action on his part, i might take it to the boss and get some sense of justice.. our nation, and really all good nations, were hit with a hard hammer tuesday.

Deacon

If I upset some of you..Amazing and others.

I apologise for the difference of opinion.

But I will stick to the principles as outlined, for it is something I have come to believe in through history and personal experience.

Death is kinda a whacky full stop aint it?

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HIT with a Hammer

by Amazing in

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friends

in conjunction with my appeal for calm, i might add that when we are working on a construction project and hit our thumb with the hammer, we might scream, cuss, and throw the hammer at something out of a sense of anger with the event and with ourselevs.. if my co-wroker hits me with the hammer, then i might turn and take a swing at him out of an immediate reactive sense to defend myself.

likely, i might cuss him out, scream, and threaten.. as the pain subsides, i might then start to calm, and look at what happened and determine needs to take place.

i could accept an apology and move on, or if i thought it was deliberate action on his part, i might take it to the boss and get some sense of justice.. our nation, and really all good nations, were hit with a hard hammer tuesday.

Deacon

buff..

I take a much broader view re: life.

There are very many reasons for wanting to do something about this issue. Someone has infringed on the right to live for a lot of people. They took life for a religious/political/hatred viewpoint.

Now, the decision to be made by those in authority, is how to prevent it from happening again, and what to do, and to whom.

As Americans, you see a number of aspects to what is happening. As a human, as a Dr and as someone with a few years left of this mortal life...I see life as important.

That does not mean that I condone the existence of those dedicated to the destruction of others.

I hurt too. I lost colleagues.

For those dead, and for those alive, we would like to see the cessation of acts of atrocities such as this. And if that means governmental action on the perpertrators, well that is the governments right...in law.

It happened in the Bible times too.

keeping cool about things..and hurting inside...without inciting others..why, that is akin to a lynching mob..rousing each other..it happened here on the board...and in a lynching..many times innocent persons get hung.

I cannot bring back a single person...and I miss some so very much. But I can keep a sort of balance here, by reading history and leaving time to see things more clearly...

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HIT with a Hammer

by Amazing in

jw
friends

in conjunction with my appeal for calm, i might add that when we are working on a construction project and hit our thumb with the hammer, we might scream, cuss, and throw the hammer at something out of a sense of anger with the event and with ourselevs.. if my co-wroker hits me with the hammer, then i might turn and take a swing at him out of an immediate reactive sense to defend myself.

likely, i might cuss him out, scream, and threaten.. as the pain subsides, i might then start to calm, and look at what happened and determine needs to take place.

i could accept an apology and move on, or if i thought it was deliberate action on his part, i might take it to the boss and get some sense of justice.. our nation, and really all good nations, were hit with a hard hammer tuesday.

Deacon

it would have been amazing, amazing, if you had concurred with any of the points I made.
Why do you feel the need to justify yourself in the other side of your life? We only see what you post here, and in the expressions and terms and emotions that you choose to display as and when you post.

Yes, this is a discussion board, and in venting, and in emoting, and in stating intent....you open yourself up to letting out the real you...and in return you gainsay, as is your intent, opinions and rebuttals and concurrences of your stated words.

I understand you very well. My reading comprehension is above average. I am not as ignorant or judgemental as you may like to infer, or indeed state, but as always, you are entitled to your opinion.

You refer to blurring fantasy with reality. Hmm...When your fantasy of killing people for the emotion of anger inside to be avenged, turns into a reality, and you are on the other end of the weapon of death...it turns into a nightmare...one in which you will never escape...and spend the rest of your life justifying.

So I thank you for your suggestions, I thank you for explaining that you really are a cool calm and collected person...and I thank you for making me realise that your posts didnt really mean what they said...and you were just venting.

Strange..when schoolkids wrote on websites that they hated teachers and other kids and wanted to kill them...they were arrested.

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HIT with a Hammer

by Amazing in

jw
friends

in conjunction with my appeal for calm, i might add that when we are working on a construction project and hit our thumb with the hammer, we might scream, cuss, and throw the hammer at something out of a sense of anger with the event and with ourselevs.. if my co-wroker hits me with the hammer, then i might turn and take a swing at him out of an immediate reactive sense to defend myself.

likely, i might cuss him out, scream, and threaten.. as the pain subsides, i might then start to calm, and look at what happened and determine needs to take place.

i could accept an apology and move on, or if i thought it was deliberate action on his part, i might take it to the boss and get some sense of justice.. our nation, and really all good nations, were hit with a hard hammer tuesday.

Deacon

Gentlemen,

Im sorry. I disagree with you.

Had any of you been in a position of authority, or had the capability to retaliate immediately...you would have done.

Im so glad that you didnt. Im so glad that you do not have WT authority to inflict your reactions upon others, Im so glad that you are just individuals with your own opinions, but no power to do what you threatened.

Amazing, In getting in touch with your emotions, and emoting...you incited to war. You may no longer be an anointed JW, or indeed may have lost faith in God or christianity in the process, I dont know, and frankly.....but you also lost the fruitages of humanity and replaced them with a display of animalistic behavior in words and intent...you have lost the good things about being human and replaced them with the worst side..misplaced patriotism...you and other would have plunged us, including those of us that have lost friends, into a conflict that we did not want or see as sorting out the problems...and given us NO choice in the process.

The government may yet listen to the opinions of people like you and waste further lives in the pursuit of angry revenge.. time will tell.

You are no longer amazing to me...just very human with a lot to say...just dont include me in warmongering..Ive been in the trenches..literally....Ive been in the KH...

its all happened before..terrorism plus patriotism equals loss of life...every time..history proves it..

this is a link that might help you to understand yourselves

. http://www.spunk.org/library/writers/goldman/sp000064.txt

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Reason gifted......

by Deacon in

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friends

for those of us who are european, we know first hand the brutality of terrorism.

england endured attacks from the close neigbour northern ireland for a long time, italy france and spain, along with germany endured homegrown versions of the same.. the us finally joins the ranks of the rest of the planet, in having more than a taste of the evilness of brutal sudden invasion of familiar and personal territory, and will have to grow up fast in the realities of the way of the world.. i awoke early this morning to the pictures of death and mayhem, and my mind turned back over the past 20 some years of my experience with the aftermath of violent conflict, be it one sided, sudden and devasting in its effect.

the memory bank started in overtime, recalling the so familiar pattern of emotions, numbness, shock, fear, despair, anger, sadness....and now i watch the same thing hit the shores of america, affecting all the peoples as if they were one.. as a person, once closely involved in the repair of humanity, both physical and mental, my heart grieves for those that have suddenly lost loved ones, for those who will forever be affected by the inflicting of one persons ideas and actions upon others....it is wrong and unloving, and oh so very human...to decide that ones personal message or belief is of greater import than others.. the american authorities will speed up their work to find the perpertrators of this heinous action, and then we will see if the present government is strong enough to keep this country together without inflicting the residents with yet another long drawn out war because of revenge.

Deacon

It would be wrong for some of you to conclude that Deacon is advocating a neutral stance regarding punishment. Im advocating a revenge free implementation of a proactive resolution to the problem. The typical response is nuke 'em!!...kill the bastards!!.

It doesnt work. Young Bush's daddy, let Saddam go...and contrary to popular opinion, it wasnt through weakness or political wariness, it was because he knew the devil he was dealing with...the people waiting in the wings would make Hussein look like a pussycat.

There is punishment waiting to meted out to those who implemented this action, and it is for the US government to apply it. I just hope that what is used, is the rule of law...and that it is seen to be just and fair and proper.

It will never replace a single one of the lives taken, it will never dent the feelings of those who oppose the Western way of living...so the measures taken need to be for the protection of those living in the US, without encroaching on the rights of others who want peace as much as we are supposed to, but live under a different regime and whose leaders do destructive things.

It is the strong thing to do things with humanity...and the hardest.

I know that at least 5-15 or more of my ex colleagues would have been in one of the buildings today...and that when the names are released it will be painful...its been over 10 years since I worked with them, yet their faces are before me...I will not telephone the XXXX until next week because the tally is only beginning..

They would want long term peace from this, without revenge...

We were promised Armaggedon and a new system....
it never came....

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Reason gifted......

by Deacon in

jw
friends

for those of us who are european, we know first hand the brutality of terrorism.

england endured attacks from the close neigbour northern ireland for a long time, italy france and spain, along with germany endured homegrown versions of the same.. the us finally joins the ranks of the rest of the planet, in having more than a taste of the evilness of brutal sudden invasion of familiar and personal territory, and will have to grow up fast in the realities of the way of the world.. i awoke early this morning to the pictures of death and mayhem, and my mind turned back over the past 20 some years of my experience with the aftermath of violent conflict, be it one sided, sudden and devasting in its effect.

the memory bank started in overtime, recalling the so familiar pattern of emotions, numbness, shock, fear, despair, anger, sadness....and now i watch the same thing hit the shores of america, affecting all the peoples as if they were one.. as a person, once closely involved in the repair of humanity, both physical and mental, my heart grieves for those that have suddenly lost loved ones, for those who will forever be affected by the inflicting of one persons ideas and actions upon others....it is wrong and unloving, and oh so very human...to decide that ones personal message or belief is of greater import than others.. the american authorities will speed up their work to find the perpertrators of this heinous action, and then we will see if the present government is strong enough to keep this country together without inflicting the residents with yet another long drawn out war because of revenge.

Deacon

For those of us who are European, we know first hand the brutality of terrorism. England endured attacks from the close neigbour Northern ireland for a long time, Italy France and Spain, along with Germany endured homegrown versions of the same.

The US finally joins the ranks of the rest of the planet, in having more than a taste of the evilness of brutal sudden invasion of familiar and personal territory, and will have to grow up fast in the realities of the way of the world.

I awoke early this morning to the pictures of death and mayhem, and my mind turned back over the past 20 some years of my experience with the aftermath of violent conflict, be it one sided, sudden and devasting in its effect. The memory bank started in overtime, recalling the so familiar pattern of emotions, numbness, shock, fear, despair, anger, sadness....and now I watch the same thing hit the shores of America, affecting all the peoples as if they were one.

As a person, once closely involved in the repair of humanity, both physical and mental, my heart grieves for those that have suddenly lost loved ones, for those who will forever be affected by the inflicting of one persons ideas and actions upon others....it is wrong and unloving, and oh so very human...to decide that ones personal message or belief is of greater import than others.

The American Authorities will speed up their work to find the perpertrators of this heinous action, and then we will see if the present government is strong enough to keep this country together without inflicting the residents with yet another long drawn out war because of revenge. My experience with life in all its tragedies is that revenge solves nothing...wheras implementing safety precautions and healthy respect for each other does....

As for my faith..it is not shaken by this episode, neither is it strengthened. For I see the writers of the bible books were wise enough to write that mans inclination would always run to self serving and problems...and they were so very right

To the God I once served in the capacity of a servant as a Jehovahs Witness, for decades before I realised the problems, I ask this,

when will you step in and end what has been a record of injustice on mans behalf for thousands of years?
When will you allow peace to reign?
When will you give the REAL sign for us to know when this pain will end?

Or is it just all a wish............

The US will recover and go forward. The complacency and bomhomie will be replaced by mistrust and inconveniences...but it will recover. People will learn to live with the fear and the anticipation as other Nations do...but life and love always come first, as it will in this case.

Christian or non Christian, JW or not...as humans we grieve for the pain and the loss and the sorrow.

I have no message in this post other than one more expression of humanity and caring toward other humans...I did what I could do in my youth, and I do what I can do now with my present position in life...to love and to offer solace and to give aid where I can...

We accept what we cannot but do otherwise, and we help where we need to.

That is our legacy, that is what frees us to use our reason gifted mind for the benefit of all...

Its called love.

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moving on to other things...

by Deacon in

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friends

for those who have left the confines of regulated thinking, either voluntarily or by being thrown out...and who currently are lost....where to now?.

i took time to read a few books, do some research and recharge.

i received some very nice emails from total strangers who encouraged me with their loving concern, and to all those i say a heartfelt thank you.. yesterday, a long chat between isp and myself left me thinking..what do we believe anymore?

Deacon

Even though the sex has long gone with advancing age...your wit still turns me on wife

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moving on to other things...

by Deacon in

jw
friends

for those who have left the confines of regulated thinking, either voluntarily or by being thrown out...and who currently are lost....where to now?.

i took time to read a few books, do some research and recharge.

i received some very nice emails from total strangers who encouraged me with their loving concern, and to all those i say a heartfelt thank you.. yesterday, a long chat between isp and myself left me thinking..what do we believe anymore?

Deacon

For those who have left the confines of regulated thinking, either voluntarily or by being thrown out...and who currently are lost....where to now?

I took time to read a few books, do some research and recharge. I received some very nice emails from total strangers who encouraged me with their loving concern, and to all those I say a heartfelt thank you.

Yesterday, A long chat between ISP and myself left me thinking..what do we believe anymore? Actually I thought ..what do I believe anymore..?

I know what I have doubts about...

The anointed.
1914.
Heavenly and Earthly differences.
If this is the appointed time.
God being active right now.
Jesus ruling.
lots of other things.

So.. I was wondering...if anyone else wants to further discussion on each of these points with a view to salvaging faith and trust in God....

no prophets or hearers of Gods voice on a daily basis please...

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Its the spirit, not the letter of the law....

by Deacon in

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aaah,.

the eternal debate rages on.. i was just looking through the posts of the last 3 weeks.. i guess we as members of this board really have no intention of complying with requests either .

simon asked us to behave....so far, no deal,.

Deacon

Its not the impressions, its the reality...

35% of the user ids will be seconds or more.

The point made is that where a request for compliance is made, some look for ways around it without thinking of the financial costs involved for Simon.

25 posts a day is enough to answer rebuttals or disagree with someone. You used one of yours here.

Now everyone is aware of something that they perhaps did not think through...