Posts by deddaisy

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HOW MANY AWAKES Would I Have To Sell?

by deddaisy in

title jehovah's witnesses purchase florida arena.

appears in "amusement business.

" 109(30)p.10.july 28, 1997. note watchtower bible & tract society will buy the west palm .

deddaisy

MADAPOSTATE:
I can only assume (uh oh) that the "leaky teepee" that you speak of is the stadium mentioned in the article? I'm not familiar with a "leaky teepee," could you clarify? It's amazing how one has to point out these things.........You're right, just because an organization has 12.5 mil laying around to invest in ONE facility, and then has money left to renovate that facility, to use for weekends, well that doesn't mean that they're necessarily "profitable." Let me see, how many other real estate holdings do you thing they have .....Well, since you seem to be so familiar with their holdings, you can answer a question for me. Who ultimately owns the K.H's? I mean who has the authority to sell them?
Who owns the assembly halls? I know the own that I attended in the past was owned by the WTS, even though at the conclusion of the assembly they asked for "donations" to cover expenses. (And please don't come back with a comment about this, I don't CARE that they ask for donations!) I believe that a world-wide organization owns more than a few assembly halls. Let's say that they owned ONLY one assembly hall in each state, that alone adds up to alot of real estate.....Oh, let's not forget their stock holdings....(Oh I forgot, the poor Society is "sitting around" just hoping to make a little bit of money on that).....MA, I didn't say it was wrong to be profitable, I didn't say
it was immoral to pay 12.5 mil for a stadium, what I AM saying is that I am tired of hearing people (you)deny that they are profitable...You don'even have to be a bright person to figure this one out!You know, I might do both you and I a favor and stop wasting my time and yours by posting here. It seems that you can't bring anything here for discussion without having to EXPLAIN and get into a HUGE debate over what is common knowledge and sense.(to most people at least) I don't have the time or desire to dig up PROOF that the WTS is profitable! I mean that is a issue that goes without saying but you argue about it like you're some naive hick that's never been out of the house. I don't have the energy to debate such idiotic issues. I don't want to waste any more room here, so I'll post just one (of 56 available documents) that I came across at work. I typed in "RAND CAM" on the database and printed two of the articles.I didn't take time to go through the articles or print more than two, because frankly, I didn't think it was cool to spend alot of time on it. But in 30 seconds, I had access to 56 documents regarding RAND CAM engines and the few that I looked at had to do with contracts, big contracts....The point is MA, the WTS is making a BIG PROFIT on this stock! Especially since it was a gift. A big enough profit that I would bet money that they WILL NEVER DISPOSE OF IT...They will get it in a different name and bury it, but they won't give up a stock that's going to make the profit that the RAND CAM engine is going to make. Instead of arguing with me about the WTS, why don't you go to a University, or even a community college and access the library databases and do some research yourself. Unless you have access to one at home or work, which I doubt, or you wouldn't seem so uninformed. So MA, I'll post one of the Rand Cam article's to your attention but for some reason I don't think it will help. But please don't post an argument back to me, and if you debate me in any future posts, I will not respond to you. I'm really not a bitch, but I am tired of responding to such sophmoric remarks.

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HOW MANY AWAKES Would I Have To Sell?

by deddaisy in

title jehovah's witnesses purchase florida arena.

appears in "amusement business.

" 109(30)p.10.july 28, 1997. note watchtower bible & tract society will buy the west palm .

deddaisy

XENU,
It's funny how you are so worried about me being wrong about the "details" of how the WTS gets their money for the Awake, but you don't argue the point of the WTS being a "profitable BUSINESS."

According to Webster's:
SELL: to transfer (goods or property) or render (services) in EXCHANGE for money.(Emphasis added)

No, I don't HAND the money to my hairstylist either after she gives me a haircut, does that mean that she didn't "sell" me a haircut or somehow doesn't get PAID?
You can call it whatever you like XENU, but when someone hands you goods, (the Awake), and you put money in a box for it, that is an "exchange" of money.......Of course for business and legal purposes, by calling it a "donation" instead of a "sale," BUSINESS organizations are able to AVOID the TAXES!!!!!!And xenu, in defense of the JW's that I know, they would not take literature without "donating" the money for it!!!!!!

"Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due."
Romans 13:7 (RSV)

Either you're very bright and intentionally distracting readers from the point that I'm making, or you're very stupid and missed the point altogether.

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HOW MANY AWAKES Would I Have To Sell?

by deddaisy in

title jehovah's witnesses purchase florida arena.

appears in "amusement business.

" 109(30)p.10.july 28, 1997. note watchtower bible & tract society will buy the west palm .

deddaisy

Excuse me Xenu, but I don't recall saying that Jehovah's Witnesses do sell Awakes...But you're right, the organization sells Awakes TO Jehovah's Witnesses, who in return, try to get a "donation" for them......

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HOW MANY AWAKES Would I Have To Sell?

by deddaisy in

title jehovah's witnesses purchase florida arena.

appears in "amusement business.

" 109(30)p.10.july 28, 1997. note watchtower bible & tract society will buy the west palm .

deddaisy

Title Jehovah's Witnesses Purchase Florida Arena

Appears In "Amusement Business." 109(30)p.10.July 28, 1997

Note WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY will buy the West Palm
Auditorium & Stadium from the city of West Palm Beach for
$12.5 mil

Abstract The WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY (Jehovah's Witnesses)
will buy the West Palm Beach Auditorium & Stadium from
the city of West Palm Beach, FL, for $12.5 mil. The
transaction is expected to utilize much of the proceeds
to help finance several projects, including a downtown
renovation program along with public parks and recreation
programs. The city had been able to lower the subsidy for
the facility from $750,000/yr 3 yrs ago to $250,000/yr,
according to Mitch Sauers, pres of Globe Facility
Services, which manages the facility. When the
Jehovah's Wiltnesses (sic) own the facility, it is
expected to spend a considerable amount to renovate it
and expand use to around 25-30 weekends/yr.

ISSN 0003-2344
B&I Ac.# 01903140

My point? None really, except that I get tired of hearing about how the WTS is not a profitable BUSINESS.....

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WT U-Turn on "Great Crowd" (May 1, 20...

by stevieb1 in

the following is taken from questions from readers p.31 of the my 1, 2002 watchtower.

it is the wt response to the question: "when john saw the "great crowd" rendering sacred service in jehovah's temple, in which part of the temple were they doing this?".

quote.

deddaisy

JW BEN,
If ever you should go through the heartbreak of losing someone due to the lack of a needed blood transfusion, or possibly having to "shun" a child or parent for a lifetime, only to find out that the scripture that this commandment was based on was only "misinterpreted" by the WTS, I hope someone is there to ask you "what all the fuss is about?" I mean "sometimed they get it wrong and sometimes they get it right."

GERMAN JW, JUSTIN, AND CROWNBOY:
Thank you for the input, no wonder I never heard this scripture addressed at ANY of the 3 meetings per week, it gets quite messy it seems...If 7:9 refers to, according to JW's, the "great crowd" standing before the throne and lamb in white robes,(supposedly on earth), then WHY in verse 7:13, does it go on having one of the elders have to ASK "who are these, clothed in white robes, and whence have they come?" I'm taking "whence have they come," to mean "where did they come from." If this is the case, then I don't understand why if they were on earth to begin with, and now they're STILL on earth (according to JW's), then they didn't come from anywhere, right...so why is this elder speaking as if they arrived from somewhere else? I don't know, maybe I'm over-reading this, but it seems to make sense if you read it like they're in HEAVEN, coming from earth....Also, it goes on to say in 7:15 that "they are before the throne of God and serve him (God) WITHIN his temple." (Emphasis added) Now if they are on earth, then God's temple (and God) is on earth, right? Then the 144,000 are up in heaven while God, his temple, and throne are down on earth? This makes absolutely no sense to me......To be honest with you, I've never been a big believer in heaven, but reading Revelation without the benefit of WT lit.(literature not litter silly) almost makes me consider heaven a possibility....I apologize for getting carried away but the more I read, the more questions I have. I once read a scripture in, I thought it was John but I can't find it, anyway it also referred to the "great crowd in heaven." I did ask these sisters about that, but I think it through them off and I didn't get an answer.......

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WT U-Turn on "Great Crowd" (May 1, 20...

by stevieb1 in

the following is taken from questions from readers p.31 of the my 1, 2002 watchtower.

it is the wt response to the question: "when john saw the "great crowd" rendering sacred service in jehovah's temple, in which part of the temple were they doing this?".

quote.

deddaisy

I hope that I'm not throwing in a question that's out of "context," but this thread brings up a somewhat related question that I've had for awhile regarding the Witnesse's "Great Crowd" teaching.....Also, thanks for the thread, its very interesting. Now for my question. Is anyone familiar as to what the witnesses teach as to the meaning of
REVELATION 19:1 ? Quoting my Bible, an RSV:

"After this I heard what seemed to be the mighty voice of A GREAT MULTITUDE IN HEAVEN, crying 'Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,'..." (Emphasis added)
I'm sure the NWT says basically the same thing, except maybe "Great Crowd in heaven," instead of "multitude." I attended meetings but never heard this scripture addressed. Just curious......
Again, thanks for an interesting thread

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Question for Atheists

by RWC in

christians who believe in the bible and the teachings of christ use that as a moral core and code of conduct.

for those who don't believe in god, where do you get your sense of moral right and wrong?

what is your moral foundation?

deddaisy

Perry,
At the risk of showing my ignorance, can you explain as to what event/s you were referring to in your statement, "Millions of people have been ruthlessly slaughtered defending ideas based on atheism...that is a fact of history...like it or not."

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WT does NOT own "Military Stock"

by amccullough in

i thought this deserved its own thread...below is a reply a made to one of the previous threads ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=24473&site=3 ) and i am anxious for someone to refute it...or maybe i'm right.. not quite...it seems everyone is muddling the details on this.. it seems that james mccann, who donated the stocks to the wt, invented an improved rotary engine called a rand cam engine.

his company, the rand cam engine corp is a privately held company, but he has donated 50% of the stock to the wt (but retained the voting proxy so the wt has no say in what is going on), he owns 34% and the balance is owned by several shareholders.

this company is half owner of another company called rand energy group.

deddaisy

This is the last time that I'm even going to look at this thread. Debating such an obvious link is not only a waste of time, but an insult to everybody's intelligence.........

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
DECEMBER 6, 2001 VANCOUVER B.C.

REG Technologies, Inc.(RRE.V/OTC BB:REG RF) and its U.S. subsidiary REGI U.S., Inc.(OTC BB:RGUS) wish to annouce that a U.S. Navy Contract (SBIR No1-144) has been awarded to Advanced Ceramics Research (prime contractor) and REGI U.S., Inc. to build and test a NAVAL 0.5 horsepower ceramic engine. The proposed engine is a four stroke RAND CAM engine utilizing continuous injection and combustion in a single combustion chamber. The engine will be of all ceramic construction to permit high temperature operation, without cooling, to effectively burn heavy oil. This new motor will be developed for powering the U.S. Navy's New Smart War-fighter Array of Re-configurable Modules (SWARM) low cost unmanned aerial vehicles.

mccullough,
I looked up the above info for my own benefit. I included it here so that others could read it and decipher it for themselves. I don't care to debate its implications. I have to be honest, when I responded to this thread, I hadn't looked up this info for myself. I challenged you only because you were to quick to judge its content, seemingly as if one couldn't do that for oneself. This is an area which is neither black or white and it seems up to the individual to decide if this is a legitimate involvement. I suppose it falls into an ethical question and I think that you would agree that not everybody has the same standard of ethics. It is an individual opinion as to whether one believes the WTS link to the navy is far enough removed to be ethical or not. Actually, I searched "RAND CAM" on the net and ended up at the site where I found the above article, which I'm sure you've already viewed. When I "clicked" on RAND CAM though, the page was "locked." It was however listed at the www.regtech.com site where I got this info. This "RELEASE," in all honestly was enough for me. I cannot decide for you or anybody else, nor do I care to, but for me, the fact that RAND CAM supplies engine technolgy that is ultimately used to equip the U.S. Navy would prevent me from owning this stock if I were concerned with remaining on neutral ground. This is a totally objective, and my personal, opinion. Frankly, I could care less what stock the WTS owns. I am not, nor will I ever be, dependent on the WTS for spiritual or financial advice, so how they conduct their business is something that is not of interest to me. Which brings me to your first accusation. You state that the latter part of my quote "is a lie." The latter part of my quote says "or anyone on this board can read and decipher for themselves without you rearranging the words and sugarcoating things."
according to Webster's:
SUGARCOAT: TO MAKE MORE PLEASANT OR ACCEPTABLE.
YOU:"Who knows how many different stocks they own and IF THEY ARE TRACKING THE ACTIONS OF EACH COMPANY THEY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN? " give me a break mccullough, if you truly believe that a organization as large as the WTS doesn't have a network of lawyers, financial advisors, and professionals that keep tabs on investments you are more foolish than I originally thought. If not, then you are sugarcoating the issue. The same with rearranging words, your posts are like reading "Who's on First?"
YOU: "I have no desire to re-spin anything, just understand it clearly. The WT has a MAJOR vested interest in a company that has a vested interest in another company that works with a company on military applications." Just understand it clearly?
Your next issue with me is so taken out of context mccullough that I'm almost tempted not to address it....You've chopped my question to you in half, addressing only the beginning of the sentence. My question was "why do you insist on proof (from freeman) so that you can investigate, YET you seem not the least bit concerned about investigating the WT unless it concerns denouncing the board?" Maybe YOU need to reread the initial post a few times before ALL the words sink in. I do apologise if this question to you was unclear, but I most definitely was not asking you "and why do you need proof..." You need to complete the sentence mccullough....
this is getting to lengthy and I think it's safe to say we're both getting bored with this, so I'll attempt to draw this to a close...
You're right, it really doesn't matter who brought the "stock issue" up, I was just curious why somebody that didn't bring it up to begin with was going to such great lengths to defend any role that the WTS played. As if that was the only reason you had looked into it, to refute any connection. Like I said, I personally could care less what stock is held by the WTS. Some years back I may have taken an interest, but today nothing that the WTS does surprises me. You though, mccullough seemed to take a bit "defensive" spin on the whole issue. That's what aroused my curiousity.
Lastly, "a conspiracy theorist?" give me a break here mccullough....I mentioned in my first post,"..voting thing sounds like advice from a lawyer..." because it is NOT uncommon for corporations and organizations to make a stipulation when dealing with acquired stock to forfeit voting proxy. This is usually done by the organization's lawyers as a safeguard, if you will. This, and putting stock in a subsidiary name, is done alot by companies in the public eye, so that in the event of questionable press, the company is not directly linked. Get it? If ever the need for a defense should arise, they are removed from any direct involvement by their lack of voting proxy.
As to not seeing the correlation between ridding oneself of an illegitimate child and ridding oneself of questionable stock, I supposed I'm not surprised. Perhaps it was my choice of analogies. My intent was to show that just because you dispose of the evidence doesn't make you innocent of the crime. If there is no problem with the WTS owning this stock, then why are we even discussing it? If there is no cause for concern yet there exists the possibility that it may "stumble" followers if they learn of it, why doesn't the WTS just address the issue in the Watchtower? State the facts there in the open and explain the situation? If they feel that there is a moral question, then why did they put themselves in a questionable situation? Do you believe that they could have reasoned that maybe they shouldn't own stock in which they had no control over? Possibly thinking if it were invested in a questionable company that members may be "stumbled," so they could've stipulated that they required control of the stock or they couldn't accept it? Did they have to accept it? Certainly any private party that is generous enough to donate half of his stock would understand and relinquish control of the stock or instead make a monetary donation? What was more important, the stock and the risk that it may "stumble", or a refusal of any gift of stock in which control was relinguished?

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WT does NOT own "Military Stock"

by amccullough in

i thought this deserved its own thread...below is a reply a made to one of the previous threads ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=24473&site=3 ) and i am anxious for someone to refute it...or maybe i'm right.. not quite...it seems everyone is muddling the details on this.. it seems that james mccann, who donated the stocks to the wt, invented an improved rotary engine called a rand cam engine.

his company, the rand cam engine corp is a privately held company, but he has donated 50% of the stock to the wt (but retained the voting proxy so the wt has no say in what is going on), he owns 34% and the balance is owned by several shareholders.

this company is half owner of another company called rand energy group.

deddaisy

MCCULLOUGH: I'm only posting this to let you know that I intend to respond to each issue that you directed to me. Right now, my son has a doctor's appointment and I can't give the time needed to respond to each issue that you direct to me in a concise manner.(I'm going to have to go back and quote both you and I in length.) I will say that I'm looking forward to it. I'm always up for a good debate....Until then, chow

Oh, I did catch your, and I quote, "(with no voting proxy I believe they have no control)" Regarding this comment, you may want to go back and read my FIRST COMMENT in this thread (I'd go back and get it myself but I don't have time)

ALSO, I believe your comment in one post was "I've already stated about three times that they should just get rid of it" (the stock)
Why not? Isn't that what they always do when their hands are caught in the cookie jar? (UN) This would certainly just make it alright wouldn't it? So I guess if I had an illegitimate child, if I "just got rid of it," everything would go away and everything would be fine....Talk to you when I get back mccullough

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From the Archives of JT #1

by JT in

over the years of being on the net there are always some post that just stand out more than others.

there is a guy not sure where he is from but his name is norm, - this guy has no idea the role he played in my leaving wt.

according to the watchtower, when has there not been "a time of urgency.

deddaisy

thank you for sharing that JT, it brought back memories........

"...never have a religion have the power to do things like this, make JEW, Arab, or any other anymie in this word FREINDS, unbelevebel it is..."(sic)
happy man

yes happyman, it's more "unbelevebel" than you imagined if you take a look at what the WTS, this same organization that you speak so highly of, said in their "Declaration of Facts" in 1933:

"It is falsely charged by our enemies that we have received financial support for our work from the JEWS. Nothing is farther from the truth."
DECLARATION OF FACTS (of JW's)

It doesn't sound like any JEWS, as you say, were "freinds" (sic) with the Society then, unless they simply weren't contributing any money....

The Society's "Declaration" goes on to say:
"The greatest and most oppressive empire on earth is the Anglo-American empire. By that is meant the British Empire, of which the United States of America forms a part. It has been the commercial JEWS of the British-American empire that have built up and carried on Big Business as a means of exploiting and oppressing the peoples of many nations. This fact is so manifest in America that there is a proverb concerning the city of New York which says:'The JEWS own it, the Irish Catholics rule it, and the Americans pay the bills."

DECLARATION OF FACTS
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ASSEMBLED AT BERLIN JUNE 25, 1933.
(This Declaration, along with the letter from the Society to Hitler can be viewed at:
http://www.star.net/People~docbob/default.htm
Yes happy man, what a "loving" organization....

Also, I don't agree with all wars, but I find your comments condemning "Catholics, Protestants, and Free Christians" that ,"kill" in war, insulting to the Catholics, Protestants, and Free Christians that gave their lives in war so that people like you could be free to practice your religion. And while your Society was busy "snuggling" up to the German government in order for their German followers to practice their religion, young boys of other faiths were preparing to give their lives for, among others, Jews, and Jehovah's Witnesses.