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Regrets of Being Brought up as a Witness

by chuckie77 in

ive never really been one to say a whole lot against the organisation, even though i was really unhappy in the years leading up to getting out of it, i still think theres so many good, peace loving and genuine people in it.

that said i was brought up as a witness and sometimes feel like ive been robbed of a true childhood.. my dad was a lot older than my mum, and was almost 50 when i was born.

he was the po in the cong and being a witness was, and still is, everything to him.

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Hey Chuckie, welcome to the board and thanks for the uplifting story. It's our goal to help people like you.

We might not get our childhoods back, but we do have friends here that we never would have found otherwise.

It's reading things like this that gives me hope for the future.

Best of luck,
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CANADA WT PAYS PROPERTY TAX

by DannyHaszard in

property tax not discriminatory, b.c judge rules

1 hr ago | globe and mail

supreme court judge has ruled that the city of

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Ha! This is great. Good for you, Scully, your comments were right on the money. These hypocrites have got some nerve. They won't allow their own congregation to go to the police or pursue legal means to prosecute child molesters, but they jump at the chance to sue (on discrimination of all things) when they have to pay PROPERTY TAX?!

So much for the whole "Jehovah will provide" idea. Pedofiles get off scott free, but THIS is a reason to go to court? And what ever happened to that "stay out of Satan's system thing?"

They lie and point the finger so much that their right hand doesn't know what their left hand is doing.

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UK-Aisleyne's dad recalls emotional reunion

by DannyHaszard in

digital spy

aisleyne's dad recalls emotional reunion

digital spy, uk - 59 minutes ago .

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We should add this to the unending list of destroyed families at the hands of the watchtower, including many of us. But they will be held accountable.

But as bad and as hopeless as it is now, we will be just as happy someday.

They may take our families, they may even take our lives, but they will never, ever take our dignitity.

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The REAL REASON JW's refuse blood

by DannyHaszard in

but they don't realize that what the bible says about blood is not the real reason why they refuse blood transfusions.

therefore what the bible says at matthew 24:34 is not the real reason they believed it.

here too the real reason will only show up if the society ever changes what it teaches about blood transfusions.

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Ok everybody, get this. I recently discussed this subject with my JW mother. I'll repeat it here, so hopefully you can make some sense of it:

ME: Mom, do you believe, or are you taught that the Bible should be taken literally, word for word?

MOM: That's the only way you can possibly understand it.

ME: Ok, so unless the Bible doesn't specifically say to do something, you just won't do it?

MOM: (pretending to think) I'm not sure what you mean.

ME: You are not allowed to have a blood transfusion, right?

MOM: Of course not. But I only know that because I have a bible trained conscience.

ME:(giggling) Of course you do. That comes from the book of Matthew, right?

MOM: Yes. (she then reads the scripture) There it is.

ME: But that doesn't say not to have a transfusion, it simply says to abstain from injesting blood. If you get a transfusion, do you equate that with drinking blood?

MOM:(voice changing to sound noble, as if she's imagining God himself) You see, The Brothers, The Faithful And Discreet Slave went back to the original Greek and Hebrew Texts to make a literal translation, not a version that you see on so many bibles today.

ME: So let me get this straight. A group of men, that you don't even know their names, who you will never meet or even talk to, read the bible for you. Then form their own interpretation for you to obey without question.

MOM:(shaking her head, filled with pity for me) I know it looks that way to you. That's what I thought at first. But only after studying in the Truth can you come to see what God really wants of us.

ME: Spoken like a true brainwashed drone. How about I get a scripture myself? (randomly flip to scripture). Ok. Here it says right before Moses came to Egypt, "Moses tied his ass to a tree and walked ten miles." What exactly does that mean?

MOM: Don't be stupid. They're talking about his donkey.

ME: How do you know that? Did someone tell you that, because if you take that literally, which you are taught is the only way to take it, it means just what it says. So there are two possibilities. Either God assumes we just know that ass means donkey, or Moses had a very elastic rope.

<<<SILENCE>>>

ME: Well, what about at the Last Supper? Jesus broke bread, blessed it, and said "this is my body and my blood, which will be shed for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven." If I take that literally, going by your own rules, Jesus's deciples drank his blood right then and there. So what is right and what is wrong?

MOM: I don't have time for this. All I know is that all my questions have been answered to my satisfaction. What about your religion? You must have un-answered questions of your own?

ME: Maybe, but I'd rather have questions that can't be answered as opposed to answers that can't be questioned.

MOM: I don't know what that means.

ME: I wouldn't expect you to mom.

So what do you all think? Did I ask the right questions? Do you think she's completely bonkers? Most importantly, did you like my donkey joke?

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NEW Interview with Bill Bowen of Silentlambs on recent events

by Dogpatch in

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the last interview i did with bill bowen was in april of 2003, and new things have happened regarding the pedophile issues in the watchtower's corrupt system led by ted jaracz and his corporate cronies.

some things are the same (mainly wt policies), and others have changed.

it took 10 years to develop some legal precendents to be laid down in order for lawsuits against the catholic priest pedophiles to move ahead, and some important legal precedents have now been established in court so as to pave the road for effective lawsuits against the watchtower leaders for their complicity in allowing pedophiles to remain in the congregations in good standing, some even as elders.

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I agree completely with Blondie. In New York, I support the lobbiest groups working to make it a law that convicted pedofiles must register with the public registry, and failing to keep it up to date would become a felony, now it's only a misdeamenor.

I write to and visit my senators and assemblymen regularly about school funding as part of my school tutoring program, but I also mention people who offer illegal asylum to pedofiles, like the Watchtower, and that always causes quite a stir. Thanks for the video Randy!

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Another Deceitful Tactic by the WTBTS.

by gumby in

as most informed jehovah's witnesses know, the wtbts is very good at painting a pretty picture of themselves by cleverly wording things to outsiders, yet not revealing the specifics of their beliefs.. below is an example from their official website regarding whether or not they shun members who choose to leave them.

they do not tell the public of the interogation they impose on members who wish to quietly leave ( fade ).. notice they mention how they are more than happy to restore those who exit, but fail to mention the types of questions they ask to those who leave them.. while they admit they shun those who verbally express they no longer wish to be a jehovahs witness, they do not tell the public they coerce that very statement from those who try to leave peacefully and quietly.

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Gumby, I think you got me there. I've just had such a bad lifetime of experiences with religion and my mom being a witness, I've grown distrustful of all organizations. I trust only myself, because that is all I have left. I was trying to relate your article to myself, and how I have given up on trying to reason with my mother, and saw evidently you are a strong advocate for debate, whereas I turned my back and said "to hell with them, let them be brainwashed."

So that's what turned me off, and I'm sorry. I guess I was trying to find a hole in your discussion, a flaw in your logic. I'm still not sure if I have the stomach to attempt your approach. I want very much to learn and research the watchtower's history and its psychological manipulations. But everytime I do, I get sick to my stomach and have to turn my computer off because I can see what a disgusting lie she is living, especially when the truth is a mere inches away from her face.

She disappears for 10 to 12 hours at a time in "service," and comes back with her strange friends humming "Loyally Submitting To The Theocratic Order." She frightens me too death with her random apacolypitic outbursts. "I lost my car keys! Satan's fighting against me! If I could just do 10 more hours of service a month, then maybe I will be good enough." She went from being an independent, smart, logical and loving woman my whole life to an unrecgonizable paranoid drone within 9 months. So yes, I guess you could say I have given up.

Is it hard to say this? Absolutely. Do I regret misjudging you? Of course. But I find it ironic how two strangers so far apart could have so much in common. It goes against everything I was ever taught. I really was beginning to think I was alone.

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Another Deceitful Tactic by the WTBTS.

by gumby in

as most informed jehovah's witnesses know, the wtbts is very good at painting a pretty picture of themselves by cleverly wording things to outsiders, yet not revealing the specifics of their beliefs.. below is an example from their official website regarding whether or not they shun members who choose to leave them.

they do not tell the public of the interogation they impose on members who wish to quietly leave ( fade ).. notice they mention how they are more than happy to restore those who exit, but fail to mention the types of questions they ask to those who leave them.. while they admit they shun those who verbally express they no longer wish to be a jehovahs witness, they do not tell the public they coerce that very statement from those who try to leave peacefully and quietly.

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I was afraid that would cause a stir. Unfortuately it was not the one I intended. I'll try to respond to everyone one at a time:

Gumby: If there was anyone I want to be friends with, it's you. I'm afraid I inadvertanly gave you the wrong impression about me. Yes, I want the watchtower war-machine to be defeated, I agree with you. I was just trying to say that here on JWD, just because we all dislike the WTS, doesn't mean that we all think the same way. We happen to disagree on one thing, that's okay with me. I still respect you and think you're very insightful. As for my attitude, I hope it reflects that of Jesus.

Mcsemike: Thank you for understanding me. It's not that there's anything un-truthful or insincere on this thread, I just want us to re-examine what we take for granted about the elders. After all, isn't that why people leave the watchtower in the first place? Of course they're going to lie about the shunning, what would we expect them to do? The truth is not exactly an attractive sales pitch for the WTS, you of all people know that.

Silversurfer1: You're right. Some of the elders decide completely on a whim how much a person has repented, or how much love is in their heart.

Heathen: I'm aware of what this site is dedicated too, that's why I joined. Of course I wouldn't pretend to support those who exit, I didn't mean for you to think that. I would never belittle your pain at the hands of the WTS, in fact I admire you for disagreeing with me. I only meant that it wouldn't kill us to be a little more open minded sometimes.

In conclusion, I'm very sorry for annoying some people. Please don't get offended on my account, I realize my optimism can be infuruating sometimes. So, yes the watchtower is a twisted cult that needs to be disbanded, but I'm sure another one will come to take its place just as fast. It is not worth our lives.

Peace everyone,
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Another Deceitful Tactic by the WTBTS.

by gumby in

as most informed jehovah's witnesses know, the wtbts is very good at painting a pretty picture of themselves by cleverly wording things to outsiders, yet not revealing the specifics of their beliefs.. below is an example from their official website regarding whether or not they shun members who choose to leave them.

they do not tell the public of the interogation they impose on members who wish to quietly leave ( fade ).. notice they mention how they are more than happy to restore those who exit, but fail to mention the types of questions they ask to those who leave them.. while they admit they shun those who verbally express they no longer wish to be a jehovahs witness, they do not tell the public they coerce that very statement from those who try to leave peacefully and quietly.

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Ok everyone. I'm nobody special, and I have not nearly as much knowledge as everyone else. But I'm going out on a limb here, so don't hate me.

I think it's time for a reality check. So they're using an age old BS story for the public, a feeble attempt to save their rapidly crumbling "religion" by reaching out to the Google-happy youngsters looking for the latest fad on the internet. They shouldn't be debated, they should be PITIED!

I realize that articles like this are meant to inform the lost, lonely, and disfellowshipped from the WTS. But this can only take them so far. There has been some pretty heated discussions, particularly with former elders. But the truth is, elders are nobody special. Honestly. The dubs might worship them and call them educated, but that just means they're more brainwashed than the dubs. And I know you all know this already.

The WTS teaches that ex-members are "bitter, empty, soul-sucking aposates knashing their teeth because we abandoned the truth." I think the best way to prove them wrong is to not give them the pleasure of debating them. If you give the watchtower an inch, they will become a ruler. The point is, the watchtower is a cult, but do we really want to become the anti-watchtower cult?

Call me crazy, but what if we could be our own support group? Maybe we could use this forum as a means to change people for the better, to be living examples of Jesus Christ without the burdons of man's rules and twisted organizations.

Well, that's enough of my ranting. Sorry for ruffling the feathers, I just don't want us to be bitter anymore.

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Re: ThirdWitness: Where did Robert King and Tim Kline mess up?

by sf in

jw
friends

just a little history and perhaps why 3rd witness is here now:.

wt and rk (robert king).

it was at this point that 3w discovered a book called "the report".

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Ok. Hypocracy and plagerism: not exactly a foreign concept in the Watchtower.

However, how does this affect us, because we don't actually know these people anyway, right? Did I miss something?

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Complete Audio Recordings of 2006 DC Talks

by AlanF in

i came upon the following link to a complete set of windows media compatible audio recordings of this summer's district convention talks:.

http://www.evanjhoush.com/wtb&ts/2006/deliverance.at.hand.district.convention/.

enjoy!.

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Charming. It sounds like they thought there was alot of newcomers, when actually it was just limited seating. And the fact that 3000 people who traveled at their own expense were left without a seat didn't phase them at all?

Talk about dense!

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