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Active JWs, hows KN37 going?

by StillGroggy in

hey everybody, i had an interesting time pushing a tract that i don't believe in this weekend.

i had to develop my own method of placing it without having to talk about it, since i fear if i was confronted by someone asking "do you people think you're the only true religion", i might break down and tell the person at the door "no, i don't".

the witness at the door with me would scream in terror, and i would be insta-dfed.

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Yesidid: Forgive me, I was not informed that being a JW or exJW was a privilege that one should aspire to. I was under the impression that the religion should be avoided all-together, is that not the entire point of this site? But I'm sure I got that wrong too.

When you reference my "pontificating," I never said the people were pathetic, but rather the ways in which the watchtower forces them to condem other religions evil deeds while at the same time covering up their own. Jesus never would have taught his followers to practice such disgusting hypocracy.

And since you know so much about my shoes, then I suppose you know what it's like to take care of your handicapped mother all your life? To spend your childhood comforting her for being beaten by my father? To have finally found her freedom after twenty five years of enslavement to a man she thought she loved, only to lose her to an auto-cratic, child raping cult?

To watch her new "friends" move in on her and lavish her with free gifts all the while whispering sweet nothings in her ear about how satanic her family was, especially me? To watch her slowly degrade over six years from a proud, independent woman to a xenophobic, shriveled excuse for a human being? Seeing her as a pathetic shell of her former self and no one believes you?

To have your sister, brother, father and the rest of your family shrug it off as a PHASE?! To have her try to sabotage your plans for college, to give complete strangers a key to your house while you're still in it?! To listen to her singing the kingdom melodies over and over again like programed drone? To come home everyday from school to find a JW mowing your lawn, or washing your clothes, or giving your mother a sponge bath?! To slowly come to the horrifying realization that she is crazier than your father, that you are the adult and she is the child, and that you have failed her in the most sacred duty ever entrusted to you? And that finally she throws you out of the house with no where to go because of your sexual preferance, and simply because you tried to show her "aposate literature!!!!!!"

But I guess you know all that.

Again, I apologize for not meeting your requirements for giving advice to people that I care about. Next time, I'll make sure to learn as much about them as you knew about me when you made your comments.

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Active JWs, hows KN37 going?

by StillGroggy in

hey everybody, i had an interesting time pushing a tract that i don't believe in this weekend.

i had to develop my own method of placing it without having to talk about it, since i fear if i was confronted by someone asking "do you people think you're the only true religion", i might break down and tell the person at the door "no, i don't".

the witness at the door with me would scream in terror, and i would be insta-dfed.

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Welcome to all the new members! It makes me so happy that almost every thread we have newbies! Bravo! Still Groogy, you have an unfortunate predicament here. You might have already asked yourself this, but does this make you wonder where is Jesus in all of this? Or is this just a total waste of your time?

You know about six years ago, before my mom got involved in this "religion," I admit I had respect (very very little, especially seeing how they treat their children) for them because they gave the appearance of good Christian people and sometimes martyrs. Now that I know it's all a cheap facade, I can hardly go five minutes without thinking about how they stole her away from me.

Now I can't help thinking how pathetic they have become. I've read everyone's posts and have pity on them, not because I think I'm better than them or that they're inferior, but rather because of the absurd dogma the watchtower has forced down our throats our whole lives.

If I'm not mistaken, there was much more enthusiasm among the JW's in the 1950's and 60's. Then they started leaving their magazines in hospitals and laundromats as a way to fill up their timecards. Everytime I see their literature in a public place, I make sure to throw it in the garbage where it belongs. And now they've resorted to this? I ask you current JW's, what's next? Will you simply throw your literature in a visible trash can outside a public place so people will at least see it and you will get to fill your time cards? Because if you think about it, that's pretty much what you're doing already.

If it was me, I couldn't look at myself in the mirror anymore. You guys have real courage because you have the real truth and you're forced to partake in this hypocracy. But fear not. Blessed are those who are poor in spirit and meek and humble, they will inherit the Earth.

Still Groggy, I neither judge you nor shun you. I welcome you with all the kindness, love, and tolerance that I recieved upon my arrival here. That by the way is what we call true sentiment, something you'll be shocked to discover upon leaving the watchtower.

The problem with going door to door for anything is it is inheritently selfish. This may sound silly because JWs sacrifice countless hours of family time in field service. But no matter how you twist it, in the end, you're only doing it for yourself. The only way to get ahead in the congregation is by recruiting new members. When they're at the door, no matter how sincere they seem, they're only there to save themselves, not you. And consider this: When they're giving you their pre-packaged presentation and painting a flowery picture of "paradise" with eternal beauty and dancing lions and children frolicking with pandas, keep in mind they're not really trying to convince you, they're trying to convince themselves.

A JW is no better than a door to door vacuum salesman, or a telemarketer, or even a trick-or-treater. In fact, the only difference between a JW and a trick-or-treater is that they're the ones selling tricks, and the joke is always on you.

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Special Assembly 2-Day 2,000 delegates and TWO baptisms!

by MinisterAmos in

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just got back from the special one day assembly and had to share this important info.

only two baptisms today; two girls about 15-16 out of 2,000 attendees.. i stumbled more than two with my anti-witnessing.

i posted un expose material in the bathrooms along with pre and post nov 1995 1914 generation belief.. incidentally, attendance was down almost 25% over last year as well.

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Hello Jam! Very good observations. It may be possible that the men who wrote the bible only thought of angels as men. What if there are women angels? Once again it displays a complete departure from everything we are taught about God. Why would he punish innocent people for something they had no control over? If we did the same in this day and age how would he view us?

Now, I do not profess to have a complete understanding of either God or the bible, nor do I pretend to be omnipotent. However I do believe God is misunderstood many times. I hope that helps.

So welcome to the board and I hope you come back soon!

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WATCHTOWER loses in court!

by Nathan Natas in

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Hi Mike, thank you as always for your words of encouragement. I'm sorry you still get their pamphlets stuffed under your door, that can't be easy. I just want you to stay strong, and remember I'm here for you.

You're right about the TV news. I see periodically the Dateline and Oprah specials about child molesters. However the problem with these programs is that they only focus on individuals, not organizations. The watchtower is not the only organization that allows this. It is only logical that the public interest will shift to a larger problem like this when they've had enough of seeing one man arrested at a time, and the watchtower will only add gallons of fuel to the flame.

Your earlier comments got me thinking. Perhaps the witnesses are kept so busy and repressed that they might not even know what child molestation is. I know that sounds absurd, but consider this. We know they're not really allowed to read their bible. When they do, they can never apply it to themselves. They are perpetually lied to about everything in life. Is it really so impossible to imagine a JW reading this thinking, "what the heck are they talking about? I've never even heard about this!"

What I see is my mom never has time to finish her work. She's always trying to do more field service, she never feels good enough, so the work she does do is marginal, half finished and just made up answers to the magazine questions. I think she's becoming a fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants witness, and I don't think she's the only one.

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WATCHTOWER loses in court!

by Nathan Natas in

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I think this is a good time to have a moment of silence for the victims of both JW and nonJW pedofiles everywhere...

I think a big underlying issue here is the courts nationwide finally becoming aware of this problem. I think the reason this took so long is because there was little or no legal precedent for this kind of case. Many have heard about the Catholic Church scandal, and while there were many individual hypocrites, this is quite a different story.

You see, this organization is founded on the very basis of hypocracy, especially the attitude toward child abuse. Here is where the typical JW would condem me. So I say to him/her, no matter what you say, the facts are still the facts. The very things you people say now to defend your beloved watchtower are exactly the things that a hot shot lawer will one day use against you in court. Because to be honest, this case is a lawyer's dream. At the end of the day, how does it feel to be in an organization like this?

This is exactly the type of case that some lawers like to ride all the way to victory. This is the quintessential underdog story. This has the potental to be an international bombshell, far surpassing the Catholic Church in the sheer revolting hypocracy of it all.

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The Battery is almost Dead.

by KW13 in

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for over 100 years the same message of doom and gloom for the world has been preached with a twist.

if your a jehovah's witness you can be saved.. .

i think people are tired of expecting the end of the system, the older generation (there are more older ones than younger i am guessing) are seeing the end of their lives when they thought they never would and some of them probably think about the false prophecy.. .

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Wait everyone! Why are you all condeming Scotsman? Do you not see he's a newbie? Yes, his comments were considerably un-enlightened but please don't attack him! He has the right to say what he wants just like the rest of us. Don't you all remember what it was like in the org?

He came here willingly, no one forced him. Notice how he hasn't posted again, we just might have scared him away. I know you're all just trying to help, but please show some more compassion. Just the fact that he's here shows he is questioning the watchtower which is our goal in the first place. He's probably just an individual, he's certainly not the borg itself. In the spirit of Jesus Christ, we have to be willing to offer friendship to those who disagree with us. I learned that lesson when I got into a heated arguement with Gumby a while ago.

KW13: Thanks for the words of encouragement. It really is sad how short the memory of the rank and file is. They truly believe this is radical and new and divinely inspired.

Mary: I think your aunt is just like my mom, only twenty years younger

I'm sorry for sounding so harsh, I really do love you all. But I think we can get a little carried away sometimes. After all, many of us were once like Scotsman. How would you have felt if you opened up to strangers and they reacted like this?

Peace everyone

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Police Convinced "Brochure Murders" the Work of Badly Dressed Serial Killer

by Check_Your_Premises in

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apupi - sheboygan, wi.

police made a significant breakthrough this week in a perplexing string of murders with the help of forensic science.

for years now police have been befuddled by a series of murders that have followed the same pattern.

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This should add a disclamer that there are several ways to fight these sadistic killers, since they are quite cowardly. You can start with crosses, rosaries, dradels, Christmas trees, jackolanterns, easter eggs, flags, wind chimes, toras, ouigi boards, Elvis records, miniskirts, computers, deodorant, college brochures, books and reading in general, and cigarettes.

Just to name a few...

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Vegetables on Front Porch Cause Uproar of Scandal and Intrigue for Local KH

by Check_Your_Premises in

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apupi - illinois.

local jw, susan estrogen, recalls her horror when she first saw the large, orange vegetables on the porch.

"there i was between breaks while out on field service when i saw it!

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You know, while you're at it, add a cardboard cut out of Elvira glued to the front door of the KH.

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Special Assembly 2-Day 2,000 delegates and TWO baptisms!

by MinisterAmos in

jw
friends

just got back from the special one day assembly and had to share this important info.

only two baptisms today; two girls about 15-16 out of 2,000 attendees.. i stumbled more than two with my anti-witnessing.

i posted un expose material in the bathrooms along with pre and post nov 1995 1914 generation belief.. incidentally, attendance was down almost 25% over last year as well.

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Hey JWDaughter,

Thanks for the reply! I know just what you mean. It's not that I want to dissect the bible. To me, even though I feel you can learn an important lesson in any scripture, the ones that mean the most are either the direct words of Jesus, or when he is being directly described. That's where the buck stops for me. He cuts through all the mysteries and misconceptions, and as long as I'm centered in Him, I feel that I'm doing the right thing.

Last week in school my class got into a rare and very heated discussion about the bible. It reminded me of back when I knew nothing about the witnesses and biblical discussions went as far as "why can't we eat meat on Friday?!"

Watching my classmates bantering back and forth in vain, I suddenly realized something. My experience with the JW's, as bad as it was, has actually improved my view of religion and life in general, but of course not the way they intended. You see in the end, what really matters is how YOU interpret the bible as an INDIVIDUAL, not believing the doctrine of organized religion. We will be judged by our actions taken based on our own understanding of right and wrong. I no longer try to get other people to agree with my interpretation of the bible. I saw people bickering over symbolism and prophetic dates and getting quite angry, and I thought how pointless it all is. Yet this is the kind of thing that starts wars.

Perhaps the best way to find out what to believe is to learn for yourself what not to believe.

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Scan of KN # 37

by kwintestal in

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kwin.

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Hi Mike, as always you have the uncanny ability to cut through the watchtower's BS. About three dozen copies of this very magazine have been sitting arould my apartment for the last month. "Special Report?" Talk about smoke and mirrors.

This is no different than the supermarket trash magazines like The Enquirer. They lure you in with a bogus title, a competely whitewashed and biased article that would be absolute garbage in the academic world, and top it off with a sickening rant about how perfect their "religion" is.

I will give The Enquirer credit for one thing though, at least we know who their writers are!

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