Posts by Anitar

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My wife I love her but?

by skyking in

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i just posted this on another thread and decided to post my own thread about it.. a few posters here that know me personally know about my amazing wife.

i had a very hard time accepting what i have learned about her.

she has a gift she has kept from the world until she was in her 30's.

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Lilly, you're giving me chills! I suppose no one believed you in the organization?

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My wife I love her but?

by skyking in

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friends

i just posted this on another thread and decided to post my own thread about it.. a few posters here that know me personally know about my amazing wife.

i had a very hard time accepting what i have learned about her.

she has a gift she has kept from the world until she was in her 30's.

Well, I've had the occasional omenous dream, but nothing compared to this. If this is for real, and who am I to say it's not, the last place you should go to is the the JW's. They have no real knowledge of either demons or mediums. Unfortunately, many people outside the watchower won't accept it either. On the whole, mankind has always feared what it doesn't understand.

I'm sorry, that's not very supportive. I'm very sorry about your nephew. What makes me happy is to see many supportive people here. My prayers are with you and your wife, where hopefully someday our world will not be so afraid of people like her.

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Dealing with the Different Personality Types on this Board

by The wanderer in

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dealing with the different personality types on this board dealing with the multiple personalities in the kingdom hall.

or life in general can prove to be quite challenging at .

times.. having been a lurker before making the commitment to.

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Multiple personalities? Does that include the voices in my head?

I confess, sometimes I dream about dancing sugar plums and giant candy canes dipped in caramel!

He he he

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Regis and Kelly TV Show

by jrjr4189 in

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just curious if anyone has ever watched the show before and seen how they show a shot of ny city every morning to talk about the weather.

anyway the shot is from brooklyn and you anc clearly see the watchtower complex in the foreground.

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Sorry I'm usually at work or school by the time Regis and Kelly come on. I do manage to tape Oprah though.

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Greatest love of all. Whitney Houston.

by Spectrum in

what a beautiful song!!

i was playing this song when my jw sister was in my room, i said to her listen to the words, did you hear that, .

"the greatest love all is happening to me, i found the greatest love of all inside of me ...... ... learning to love yourself is the greatest love of all" .

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You know this is totally unrelated but I hear Whitney is getting sober now. I hope it's for real this time, I was once a fan of hers and I'm really

rooting for her to get better. She still has so much talent, she's just lost her way.

Take care everyone!

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So THAT's the reason!

by Dansk in

and i thought it was just me!

security 'bad news for sex drive' differences in sexual appetite may be driven by evolutiona woman's sex drive begins to plummet once she is in a secure relationship, according to research.. researchers from germany found that four years into a relationship, less than half of 30-year-old women wanted regular sex.

conversely, the team found a man's libido remained the same regardless of how long he had been in a relationship.

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Wow, you people are naughty!

More power too ya!

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A Message To All The Lurkers

by Anitar in

in recent weeks, i have seen several posters that some call the jw "lurkers," meaning the witnesses who read the articles of this site, and are perhaps questioning what the watchtower has been teaching them, yet are still very defensive of the watchtower's actions.

as a result, i have seen and participated in several heated debates.

it seems the main criticism of us is that we focus too much on the "negative," that we dig up the past too much, and worst of all, that we have nothing to really complain about, other than the personal vendettas some of us have against the watchtower.

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In recent weeks, I have seen several posters that some call the JW "lurkers," meaning the witnesses who read the articles of this site, and are perhaps questioning what the Watchtower has been teaching them, yet are still very defensive of the Watchtower's actions. As a result, I have seen and participated in several heated debates. It seems the main criticism of us is that we focus too much on the "negative," that we dig up the past too much, and worst of all, that we have nothing to really complain about, other than the personal vendettas some of us have against the Watchtower.

Well, since I always want to be open minded no matter how much I am frustrated, I will now address the so called lurkers. You come to this website and occasionally post your unflinching support of the Watchtower and its interpretation of the bible. One might get the feeling from reading such posts that you are a very faithful witness and should therefore be commended for your loyalty. I would never dispute this. However, you would not be on this website if you were not questioning in some way what you say you believe in. It is therefore logical to say that there is an inconsistency somewhere. So the question is, why are you here?

I will attempt to show you something you had not considered before, and I apologize in advance for talking too much. Another criticism of us is that we take Watchtower and Bible quotes out of context, or we combine unrelated articles to prove a biased point of our own. In an attempt to disprove this, I'll take as an example a frequently discussed topic: child abuse.

Now, I think regardless of the organization, one cannot in good conscience say that child abuse is a good thing. There has recently been a case of a Jehovah's Witness child abuser captured in California. Here is the link:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/122752/1.ashx

Now, of course, there are individual child abusers in every organization in the world, both secular and religious, the Watchtower is no exception. However, it is how the organization deals with such offenders that show who they really are. And what does the Watchtower do? They boast that they have no clergy class, yet they use the "clergy penitent privilege" to defend the accused. Now one might say that they have to defend themselves somehow, but why don't they simply tell the truth, since they don't see themselves as doing anything wrong, and they don't recognize the courts authority above them? Well, somewhere between the eight-by-eleven jail cell and the electronic ankle bracelet, they just might recognize the authority.

Here is my main point for discussion. I found it quite surprising, given the recent events in the courthouses across America, that advertised on the front page of the Watchtower’s official website is none other than the topic of child sexual abuse! See for yourself and feel free to read all the related articles on their site:

http://www.watchtower.org/

http://www.watchtower.org/e/19931008a/article_01.htm

When I started writing this post, the topic was on the front page. For some reason, they have now taken it down. It should be noted that their website has no discussion board, no email, and all the articles are nothing but duplications of their magazines, so nothing is new. I found, and no doubt some will be quite astonished, that to put such an article on their website was quite hypocritical even by their standards. Here is a quote:

"An Urgent Problem: Assaults on children are often cloaked in secrecy, so much so that they have been called perhaps the most unreported of crimes. Even so, such crimes have evidently spiraled upward in recent decades."

Interesting. So how do they defend their "two witnesses" rule? If they know child abuse is done in secret, how can there be two witnesses to the crime? The article shows that they draw conclusions from superficial observation rather than imperial evidence. They use a crude oversimplification of biblical principles in order to justify their extreme xenophobia and general dislike of everything outside of their organization. In the following articles, "How Can We Protect Our Children," and "Prevention in the Home," they clearly state that the abuser is usually someone you know or live with. They also go into great detail about the pain and suffering a victim goes through, while using careful wording to never mention what to do if the abuser is a Jehovah’s Witness. See this quote regarding worldly victims:

“Their whole future is at stake. They do not have the resources that adults have. Trauma can scar and shape them adversely for life. They are the ones who need and deserve tender treatment.—Compare Genesis 33:13, 14.

Parents must therefore make every reasonable effort to protect their children! Many responsible parents choose to seek out professional help for an abused child. Just as you would with a medical doctor, make sure that any such professional will respect your religious views.# Help your child rebuild his or her shattered self-esteem through a steady outpouring of parental love.”

Reading these articles a JW might come to ask oneself what to do if the abuser and the victim were another JW. The Watchtower has an answer for that too, just a very ambiguous one. Whereas before, they were talking about the effects on the worldly victims of child abuse, here’s what they have to say to members of their own congregation with the same problem:

http://www.watchtower.org/e/19951101a/article_01.htm
"Repressed Memories"

In recent years some have been "brokenhearted" for reasons that others find difficult to understand. They are adults who, on the basis of what have been described as "repressed memories," say that they were sexually abused when they were children.* Some have no thought of having been molested until, unexpectedly, they experience flashbacks and "memories" of an adult (or adults) abusing them when they were young. Do any in the Christian congregation have such disturbing thoughts? In a few lands, yes, and these dedicated ones may experience deep distress, anger, guilt, shame, or loneliness. Like David they may feel isolated from God and cry out: "Why, O Jehovah, do you keep standing afar off? Why do you keep yourself hid in times of distress?"—Psalm 10:1.

Many aspects of these "memories" are not well understood by mental-health professionals. Still, such "memories" can affect the spirituality of dedicated Christians. So we look with confidence to God's Word for guidance in handling them. The Bible provides "discernment in all things." (2 Timothy 2:7; 3:16) It also helps all concerned to put faith in Jehovah, "the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our tribulation."—2 Corinthians 1:3, 4.
Did It Really Happen?

In the world, there is much controversy as to what these "memories" are and to what extent they represent things that actually happened. Jehovah's Witnesses are "no part of the world" and take no part in this controversy. (John 17:16) According to published reports, "memories" have sometimes proved to be accurate. For example, after insurance adjuster Frank Fitzpatrick "remembered" being molested by a certain priest, almost one hundred others came forward to claim that they too had been abused by the same priest. The priest reportedly admitted to the abuse.

It is noteworthy, however, that a number of individuals have been unable to corroborate their "memories." Some afflicted in this way have had vivid recollections of a certain individual committing abuse or of the abuse being committed in a specific place. Later, though, legitimate evidence to the contrary made it clear that these "remembered" details could not be true.”

Just look at how they talk to you. They patronize the reader and assume that you’re lying or seeking attention. Notice how many times they use quotes around the word memories, as if you weren’t really abused, and how they tell you that it can easily be solved by praying more. This seems a far cry from their earlier statements of the deep physical and mental scars of child abuse.

And why do worldly victims have “horrifying, lifelong physical and mental scars,” while the Jehovah’s Witness victims simply have “memories?” This seems quite illogical. Aren’t the JW’s God’s chosen people? If a JW molests a child, certainly his punishment would be considerably more severe because he’s supposed to “know better?” On the same token, shouldn’t a JW child be treated with more care and respect than a worldly child because they have been betrayed by their Christian brothers? But no, they’re told in not-so-subtle terms that they’re imagining things, and they simply have a “stricken spirit.”

I wish to clarify that not only did the Watchtower itself write these articles; they put them together on their own website. This is not the work of “apostates,” nor are we taking it out of context. It is almost impossible for a JW to read these articles and not see the discrepancy in the policies of child abuse outside and inside the Watchtower.

In conclusion, I do not disrespect Jehovah’s Witnesses, nor do I want to destroy their faith in God. I just want them to reconsider their loyalty to an organization and examine it from an objective point of view. If you still find it to be the truth, than none of this matters and you will have lost nothing. In light of all this, you might still argue that despite its flaws, at least the Watchtower is constantly bible orientated, and is warning the earth of its impending “doom.” However, I have come to learn that the bureaucratic mentality is the only constant of the Watchtower.

Peace everyone,

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College Degree = $23K more a year salary

by under_believer in

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check out the news on this recent press release from the us census bureau.

here's the google news listing for it (so you can see all the places this story has been covered): click here.. .

lest anybody think the society is taking a softer stance on this issue, well, they're not.

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What happens when they have to take psych courses and force themselves to examine the watchtower from a sociological point of view?

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WT Real Estate Brooklyn NY

by Alpheta in

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friends

columbia heights.

76 willow street.

79 willow street.

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You know what's funny? My mom has been rehearsing her talk at the KH for days now, and it's all about how the witnesses are so proud that they are no part of the world, and do not fit into the world's view of religious groups, and have nothing to do with "satan's system."

They boast and brag that they are not part of "chrisendom," yet they claim non-profit status to avoid paying taxes. They brag even more that they don't have a clergy class, yet they use the "clergy penitent privelege" to defend their pedofiles.

Imagine the things I could tell her if she would only listen...

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Active JWs, hows KN37 going?

by StillGroggy in

hey everybody, i had an interesting time pushing a tract that i don't believe in this weekend.

i had to develop my own method of placing it without having to talk about it, since i fear if i was confronted by someone asking "do you people think you're the only true religion", i might break down and tell the person at the door "no, i don't".

the witness at the door with me would scream in terror, and i would be insta-dfed.

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I've been trying to say since my first post that going door to door is on principal a selfish endevor. Not to say that the people are selfish, that was confused by someone earler.

Consider this. How many industries actually sell their products door to door anymore? Sure there might be small businesses in a big city where it's quite crowded. But put simply, the watchtower is the only corporation of its size in the world that sells its products in such an antiquated and ineffective manner. If the mesage was so important, why use such a crude method? Because it does not allow for public debate, or scholarly analysis. If you doubted the nutritional value of a Big Mac, would you not go and find a list of the ingredients from the manager if necessary? Why should it be any different with religion?

Lets put aside religion and even child abuse for a minute. I'm an average citizen, college student, mostly broke. Most of the commercials that are supposed to appeal to my demographic actually serve to turn me off. I am not going to buy diet pills from the home shopping network, I am not going to subscribe to a VISA platinum master card just because it comes in the mail, and most of all, I will never subscribe to a dime a dozen group of psudo-religious duds just because they come to my door.

My friends are mostly non religious. They're average students, none of us are very business savy or spiritually orientated. Even they know never to take people like the witnesses seriously, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see it's all fake! The most that people do is have a few studies out of politeness, then avoid them until they get the hint. For God's sake, I knew this stuff was phony when I was six years old!

My point is not to insult the the faithfull witnesses. Believe it or not, I actually care about them, and I want them to think for themselves. Think about this: Jesus sacrificed himself as the ultimate display of humility and love for mankind. When you consider the real reasons you go door to door, do they sound very Christian to you?

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