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  I accuse my wife of apostacy. Hilarity ensues.

  by under_believer in

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  this one ranged all over the place.

  i post these because i am hoping someone can give me additional advice.

  wife: why didn't you want to read the daily text to the kids?

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  Drew and IP_SEC, thanks for your responses. They are exactly the kind of input I need.
  I appreciate your candor. And it's possible that you're right, though the exchange is out of context of our marriage as a whole, and you are missing the way that she frequently "dominates" me back, and the fact that we've always been one of those couples that discusses (argues) a lot. She is an extremely controlling individual with anger problems (and I was able to digest the idea of saying these things about her only after she pointed them out to me herself). I am not saying that I don't have any faults, and we generally accept each other's imperfections.
  At the same time, my wife is not your wife--I'm not sure what your wife's personality is like, but if I took the approach you did with your wife (and I've read every one of your posts, at least from the time you were planning on going back deep into the org and becoming an elder... CONGRATULATIONS by the way, Drew, you are really the man for getting your wife and yourself out and I mean that) I would never get anywhere with her, guaranteed.
  I dunno, it's a fine line to walk, I guess. I don't want to tear down her belief system, but on the other hand it's a ridiculous belief system and there are constant demands for me to live up to my Society-assigned role--that of the "spiritual head". When I have severe allergic reactions to certain daily texts, Witness practices, whole books (like Revelation) and so on, I can either just say "no" and frustrate her with no explanations, or I can explain to her why I can't in good conscience put certain ideas into my young kids' heads.
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  I accuse my wife of apostacy. Hilarity ensues.

  by under_believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this one ranged all over the place.

  i post these because i am hoping someone can give me additional advice.

  wife: why didn't you want to read the daily text to the kids?

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  under_believer

  This one ranged all over the place. I post these because I am hoping someone can give me additional advice.
  

  WIFE: Why didn't you want to read the Daily Text to the kids?

  ME: Because it said that Christians shouldn't help others because they will just get sick and die again, and only God's Kingdom can help people permanently.

  WIFE: Well, isn't that true?

  ME: What? No. Jesus healed people resurrected them, etc. even though he knew they'd get sick and die again, right?

  WIFE: Yes. The text acknowledged that, but said that Jesus' main work was preaching.

  ME: So you're saying that you agree with the Society's opinion that we shouldn't do any charitable works, that helping people "in this system" is pointless, because only the Kingdom can save people permanently?

  WIFE: Well...

  ME (interrupting): We are helped out by <such and such a charitable service which I cannot disclose at this time>, what if they all became Witnesses? Who would help people in <specified situation>? Do you not appreciate that help?

  WIFE: Yes, I do.

  ME: So only non-Witnesses should help people other than Kingdom preaching? And Jehovah will destroy them for that?

  WIFE: We don't know who will be destroyed and who will live at Armageddon.

  ME: The Society says they do. They say only baptized Witnesses and their dependent children will survive.

  WIFE: Well, I was talking about this with my mom [also a Witness]. We really don't know.

  ME: Wrong. The Society really does say they know. I can prove it [she has learned that when I say this, there is no point in disagreeing because I will have the citations at hand]. The only uncertainty the Society allows in this equation is that perhaps not all baptized Witnesses will make it. Certainly not that some "worldly" people will.

  WIFE: The Bible really isn't conclusive on that point, though.

  ME: Saying that makes you an apostate. How do you like being an apostate? Why don't you go tell that to the elders and see what they think?

  WIFE: STOP IT! You are just trying to tear down my faith. You always do this right before meetings.

  ME: Okay, A, who brought this up? And B, this tears down your faith in what? The Society's interpretations? Or the Bible and God? Which faith is more important?

  KIDS: [interrupt]

  ...Just thought I'd share that little exchange. Fun times were had by all.
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  Fred Franz yelling in spanish?

  by drew sagan in

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  i was reading the book 'apocalypse delayed' by james penton and came to the part that disucessed the crackdown that occured in the org during the early 1980's.

  one of the referances made note to a talk that was recorded in which fred franz spoke to a congregation in queens, ny and yelled at them in spanish.

  has this ever made it's was to the internet?

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  under_believer

  FRANZ: ¿Esclavo fiel y discreto? ¡Te demostraré el esclavo fiel y discreto, perras! ¡Conseguir en tus rodillas!
  ;)
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  Be Honest: Did You ACTUALLY Report Accurate Field Service Time?

  by minimus in

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  i bet most people did not.

  i think nearly everyone counted time spent on breaks.

  or sitting in the car for an hour and a half while the elders did a "shepherding" call.

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  I think minimus is trying to make a point about the numbers reported by the Society being inaccurate. I think he was surprised that so many people answered that yes, they indeed were honest about their time reporting.
  Nevertheless this does not harm your original point, minimus (if that was your point). We all know (may of us firsthand) about phantom pioneers and the "wheelchair witnessing" that goes on in Brooklyn. The Society hours are obviously inflated.
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  You're Pitiful

  by under_believer in

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  weird al recorded a song called "you're pitiful.

  " it's a parody of james blunt's "you're beautiful.

  " anyways james blunt gave his permission and everything, but blunt's label wouldn't allow the song to be distributed, so al's giving it away for free on his website, at http://www.weirdal.com/home.htm (look about halfway down the page, where it says "hey" in big letters.

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  Weird Al recorded a song called "You're Pitiful." It's a parody of James Blunt's "You're Beautiful." Anyways James Blunt gave his permission and everything, but Blunt's label wouldn't allow the song to be distributed, so Al's giving it away for free on his website, at http://www.weirdal.com/home.htm (look about halfway down the page, where it says "HEY" in big letters. Obviously you'll get more mileage out of it if you've heard the James Blunt original.
  Excerpt:
  My life is brilliant.
  ...
  What, was I too early?
  Oh, sorry. Should I... do you want to start over, or...
  Keep going? Okay. Now?
  Now?
  [continues singing]
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  Be Honest: Did You ACTUALLY Report Accurate Field Service Time?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i bet most people did not.

  i think nearly everyone counted time spent on breaks.

  or sitting in the car for an hour and a half while the elders did a "shepherding" call.

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  under_believer

  I honestly and truly did report accurate field service time. It is JUST ONE of the reasons why I found pioneering to be so crushingly difficult. Once a C.O. told me that I could just "start my time" when I left the hall, instead of the moment I knocked on the first door. I remember looking at him like he was from another planet.
  I would regularly count out 15 minutes, 30 minutes, whatever, for breaks. I'd stay out until 12:30 or 12:45 to make sure I got my two hours for Saturday, or until 17:30 or 18:00 on weekdays.
  Those of us who take everything seriously have a much harder time and much farther to fall when we come out of the Watchtower.
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  Gilead 42nd Class 1966

  by thaisun in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  is there anyone out there who was in the 42nd class of gilead and has seen the light?

  my name then was vivienne ainsworth.

  i would dearly love to hear from anyone who remembers me.

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  under_believer

  Here's forscher's link in clickable form:
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/115874/2035024/post.ashx#2035024
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  I've gone wireless!!!

  by Elsewhere in

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  for years i have forgone using a wireless router at home... i never thought i would need or even want one.

  well, while staying at stevenyc's home in new york for a week, i have to say i'm sold!

  he has a great wi-fi setup and when i connected my notebook i suddenly discovered how great it is to be able to lounge around any part of the apartment looking at jwd and any other web site i'd like.

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  under_believer

  Yeah I went wireless just to avoid having to run ethernet cables all over my house. As soon as I realized that I'd hit 7 items that needed to be hooked up (bedroom computer, HTPC, Nintendo DS, Sony PSP, livingroom computer, Xbox, printer with ethernet capability) that was it--it was just too much trouble.
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  Did Masonic Judges Sabotage Lawrences Hughes Case To Protect The WT?

  by Gumbley in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  most people who are familiar with how the system works, know that most judges are masons.

  that is how you get to the next level, by being initiated into the 32 or 33rd degree of freemasonry.

  were the masonic judges dealing with lawrence hughes attempt to sue the watchtower acting in accordance with masonic law to protect the best interest of the brotherhood?

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  under_believer

  Two reasons, guy.
  1) It's not THE truth, it's your truth. The Masons don't rule the world and nobody thinks so except conspiracy theorists. Not even Masons.
  2) It wouldn't matter much even if it were true.
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  How much JW do you have left in yourself?

  by JH in

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  2. friends

  say something that jw's preach that you still believe in.

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  under_believer

  More than I'd like unfortunately. It's why I post so much here. Making a strong attempt to break 30 years' worth of indoctrination. Rationally I realize it's bunk, but on a lower level I still get upset emotionally when I act in ways contrary to my previous beliefs.