I had intended to DA myself back in 1999, but never did. We just left and that was that. I would imagine there's good grounds to DF us but since we never went to another religion I would suppose it's easier to let us go than confront us.
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How Many Here Are DF'd, Disassociated Or Not Worried That They Might?
by minimus ini'm curious as to whether the majority of the board's disfellowshipped.
and i'm curious as to whether or not push came to shove, that you would not be overly distressed if you did wind up getting df'd........as time goes on, i am caring less.
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Portland OR XJW Meet-up May 3, 5pm at Portland Brewing - SIDE BENEFITS
by Deleted inafternoon y'all
1. first round is on me 2.
20% off restaurant ticket 3. you get to me my loverly wife jill (aka xpi)
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Afternoon y'all 1. First round is on me 2. 20% off restaurant ticket 3. You get to me my loverly wife Jill (aka xpi) See you then! Glen James
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An interesting website and musings on GW2 vs WW2
by Deleted ini am a cooing hawk.
i considered myself a conscientious objector (not a pacifist) when i was borg - how clever we all were with our turns of phrase.
anyway, i am finding the kurdish people and culture really interesting, as are so many cultures in the area are.
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I am a cooing hawk.
I considered myself a conscientious objector (not a pacifist) when I was BOrg - how clever we all were with our turns of phrase. Anyway, I am finding the Kurdish people and culture really interesting, as are so many cultures in the area are. I have my Dad's diary from WW2 - I am compiling his history of the North African campaign. There's a similarity with the Allies' road to Tunis in late 1942. Anyway it makes GW2 seem familiar. I do hope our troops do their business as surgically as possible and get out soon. Tunis got nasty and bogged down for six months - my Dad left for Italy 10 months after that. A lot of the players are the same - the French sulking because they didn't get picked as team captain. But in 1942 they (Vichy French controlled colonial troops in Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia ) where shooting at the Allies for a few days and when they had negotiated something face saving the French were back in the game on the Allied side.Vichy France itself was occupied within 12 hours by the Germans, suprisingly absent in GW2. The casualties of the 1 million men who passed through North Africa would be considered unacceptable today. In WW1 my Grandad was stationed in Mesopotamia - I know nothing about his time there, it's a shame I never talked to them about their experiences before they died. Anyway I liked this site. And I thought you might too.http://www.itnet.org/kurdhistory.html
Peace, soon as possible please
Glen James
looking forward to see buster, onacruise, bikerchic, sphere, newboy and david w and julie and bernadine and another bro but that's as far as my memory goes, April 5
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The difference between Heaven and Hell
by Deleted inin heaven - the british are the police; the germans the automechanics; the french the chefs; the swiss the organizers; and, the italians the lovers.
in hell - the british are the chefs; the germans the police; the french the automechanics; the swiss the lovers; and, the italians the organizers.
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IN HEAVEN - The British are the police; the Germans the automechanics; the French the chefs; the Swiss the organizers; and, the Italians the lovers. IN HELL - The British are the chefs; the Germans the police; the French the automechanics; the Swiss the lovers; and, the Italians the organizers.
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What's Your Favourite War Movie???
by dottie inwell since everyone's mind is on the obvious...thought i'd add a twist to it and hopefully no flame war will come of it .
what is your fave war movie??
i have 2: full metal jacket and apocalypse now.
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Oh, What a Lovely War! I was surprised it wasn't out on DVD when I visited the old sod (England, ot my Mum)
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XJW's Converts vs. Raised-in-its - is there a difference
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as an adult convert to the j-dubs i chose the religion.
unless you agree with newboy that we all chose it as we cycled through this reincarnation.. when you choose something and then conclude it is seriously flawed do you lose the right of complaint?
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Morning All:
As an adult convert to the J-dubs I CHOSE the religion. Most of you did not. Unless you agree with Newboy that we all chose it as we cycled through this reincarnation.
When you choose something and then conclude it is seriously flawed do you lose the right of complaint? Yes, we are all victims of victims. But when you are raised in it you have an extra right of complaint.
Thoughts?
Glen James
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Dogpatch is nearing a million hits
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in 1999 when i first visited free minds (http://www.freeminds.org) your counter was just shy of the 250,000 mark.
today it's at 908,000. before the end of this year it will be 1,000,000. what are you planning by way of celebration?
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Randy,
In 1999 when I first visited Free Minds (http://www.freeminds.org) your counter was just shy of the 250,000 mark. Today it's at 908,000. Before the end of this year it will be 1,000,000. What are you planning by way of celebration? What about a Christmas Party? I'll bring the beer, Portland Brewing's of course.
Congratulations and thanks again for saving my sanity!
Glen James
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Katie just left me
by onacruse in...to visit her family in az and ca.
(she'll flog me when she comes home next week.
it's just incredible how free we both feel.
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That was very untheocratic of you, Craig. I for one will be looking forward to you squirming at the next meet-up! Give him hell, Katie! Oh, there is no hell .... make him go to the Memorial, Katie!
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I just shared with my mum the scandals of the WTS
by m0nk3y init was really hard for me to do.
i have been out of the borg for a few years now and have pulled my life together and i'm really happy.
but my mum and her husband are disfellowshiped and the jw's have caused mum great pain .. she has tried the best she can to follow the wts direction .. but as we all know its impossible.
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If I only had one book for your Mum to read it would be Ray Franz' Crisis of Conscience. He has a better insight than anyone else, so far.
If your Mum just wants the highlights then I'd say start at freeminds.org
Is there anything in particular she is stuck on?
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WHAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN YOU READ FREELY
by Deleted inwhen i first looked at the internet without worrying who authored what i couldnt believe how many people had similar stories of frustration, lack of love and mental and emotional stress!
their woes made me feel better.
one of my greatest concerns at that time was that i must be following satan.
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When I first looked at the Internet without worrying who authored what I couldn’t believe how many people had similar stories of frustration, lack of love and mental and emotional stress! Their woes made me feel better. I was not alone. One of my greatest concerns at that time was that I must be following Satan. After all, according to JW lore, if you are not following the WTS you must be following Satan. Singularly the best book I read at the time was Elaine Pagels’ Origin of Satan which confirmed to me that there was no Satan – that Satan was largely the bogeyman of the tumultuous times around 70 CE when the destruction of Jerusalem was imminent. One way to show this is to compare the Satan of the writings much before Christ’s time with the Satan of the New Testament. Job’s Satan was quite different than John the Revelator’s Satan. A totally different creation. Causes always do better when the enemy is clearly identified – make him to be the Great Serpent and it unites the followers. I read much of Russell’s work and concluded (as others had) that he would have been DF’d for his beliefs had he been around today. That didn’t make sense if these same beliefs were the ones Jesus’ picked when he came as king of the kingdom in 1914. Russell used a lot of freemasonry words and symbols (there’s a pyramid by his grave, the cross and crown on the WTs and the wings of Ra were on many books). Even Russell said that a true Christian would not be baptized into a religion, only Christ. So, if he had been baptized after 1985 he would have balked at the notion of being baptized “in association with God’s spirit-anointed organization”. I read much of Rutherford’s work and felt duped that the much-referenced booklet “Millions Now Living Will Never Die” was actually about 1925 when the “ancient worthies” would most definitely return to the earth. He also said that in 1918 the Holy Spirit was done away with when God’s Organization was identified 1918 {SALV216-7}– so how can the WTS be “spirit-anointed” when there is no Spirit. Rutherford, a mean-mouthed drunk, was packed off to San Diego when he got too embarrassing. The Great Crowd speech of 1935 came about at the last minute before the convention of that year – it helped Rutherford explain why there were more coming to the Watchtower than would fill the ranks of the 144,000. The WTS uses “…” when just quoting parts of scholarly references that support their doctrines. If you read the full reference, in many cases it’s not the same as the WTS doctrine. There are even copies of letters on file from these said references asking the WTS not to misquote them anymore! In the case of Johannes Greber (the quoted scholar behind “the Word was a god”) you’ll find that he was a spiritualist. There are 10,000 pieces of evidence that disproves 607 BCE as the beginning of the Seven Years calculation. 587 BCE is a well established date for the destruction of Jerusalem. There is actually no evidence that states otherwise. The appendix in the Kingdom Book is actually circular reasoning. There’s a lot of circular reasoning in WTS material once you take an objective position in studying it. Based on the writings of a former GB member, the WTS does not pray over any major decision as you’d expect, nor does a majority vote necessarily count. In the case of the brothers in Malawi in the 70’s there was a majority vote to allow them a political party card, and thus escape persecution, but the GB bylaws said that a 2/3rds majority is required to pass a motion, so they continued to suffer. The New World translation of the Bible is not as scholarly as claimed. Yes, the language is simpler than the KJV, but the words are often loaded with WTS meaning. There was not one member of the translation committee that had credentials, not even Fred Franz. For example, the word Grace was replaced by Undeserved Kindness. How do you feel about the Grace of God compared to the Undeserved Kindness of God - Grace is unconditional kindness, Undeserved Kindness implies it to be conditional. Many of the favorite WTS Scriptures imply more than what is written. “Bad association spoils useful habits” stops the JW from hanging out with non-JWs, at any time. Most other translations use the term Evil, but most non-JWs are not Evil – even the JWs know that. It becomes a tag-line to keep the JW in line. “Free without spot from the world” is one of the identifying marks of the true religion. I liked that about the JWs, they’d put their money where their mouth was and take hardship over compromise. Imagine the shock to see the WTS on Scientology’s and Jimmy Swaggert’s side as an amicus curiae in some court cases involving sales taxes! Add to that the WTS working with the UN to get a non-cult status in some countries – working with the wild beast! Worse than that is the letter from the WTS to Hitler before WW2 stating that the Nazis and JWs had a lot in common, as they tried to position themselves as good Germans! I doubt the several hundred loyal JWs who died in concentration camps knew of that.