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  BoE letters up (1977-2001), plus public talk outlines

  by Jourles in

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  it looks like the 1977-2001 letters are up!

  the '01-'06 letters will be forthcoming shortly i hear.. http://www.reexamine.org/boe/.

  i would suggest downloading the index (3.8mb) first, then you can view/download a particular letter referenced from the index.

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  freetosee

  A BIG THANK YOU TO ALL INVOLVED IN THIS.

  This will aid in the exposure of the operations of the WTS. (The download manager was great help too)

  Freetosee
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  Question for Christians only

  by Steve Lowry in

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  ok, i got save in 1984 (left the wbts 1979).

  i have always felt at a loss when it has come to the emotional impact aspect of jesus' sacrifice.

  what i mean to say is, that i have seen other christians openly weep about jesus and his death on the cross, while i have felt nothing.

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  freetosee

  In Jesus day it was the common way criminals were humiliated and executed. Jesus was killed by the Romans like many criminals (Luke 23:41). The manner in which Jesus was put to death is not alone the significances of his sacrifice.

  As raised JW I remember many memorial talks and some of them were quite emotional, also during the memorial time often emotional comments were made during the meetings. And even then I felt that I don’t share the same emotions. I couldn’t help but think, Jesus was much better off than most humans especially women and girls. He was never raped and sexually molested. And he knew for sure he will be resurrected and return to the presents of God and continue to enjoy an elevated position unimaginable "sitting at Gods right hand". The virgin girl in Judges 19:22-29 had it a lot worse than Jesus. So I could never share the emotions about the torture and death of Jesus. fts
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  My Meeting with the Elders...

  by rassillon in

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  it is most likely still very far away but i wanted to share with you guys one of the things i am thinking about doing when/if i do meet.

  i plan on getting my chl (concealed carry permit)

  then i am going to get a shoulder holster.

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  freetosee

  After I found out what happen to my sisters and realizing the "big lie" I was very hurt and had violent fantasies. I still get very upset sometimes, but playing with the thought of using scar tactics on the self-righteous elders makes me laugh and helps me deal with the pain. I didn’t think rassillon was seriously going to do that. It was just funny to think about it.

  I remember when I was a JW there was an experience of a "worldly" husband shooting an elder at the KH. Many brothers thought of this not being persecution but rather that the man had good reason to do what he did and elders should think about what they are doing. Off course this was said privately only.

  I wouldn’t be surprised if this or something similar should happen again. I wouldn’t feel pity for the elders, if they had the possibility to stone or torture the elders surly would (not all). What happened at that KH was a sad crime. fts
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  My Meeting with the Elders...

  by rassillon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it is most likely still very far away but i wanted to share with you guys one of the things i am thinking about doing when/if i do meet.

  i plan on getting my chl (concealed carry permit)

  then i am going to get a shoulder holster.

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  LOL, I would love to see you do that, but not as you sit down better somewhat into the discussion. A fake gun which has that little flag that says "Bang" when you pull the trigger. I’d love to see their faced, but it is wrong. A gun can get you in big trouble. Although the elders deserve a little fun. But no, don’t do it, if you ask me. fts
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  Scriptures You Will Not Hear at the 16-07-06 Church Sermon

  by scout575 in

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  2. bible

  "for the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

  neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

  " ( 1 corinthians 11:8,9 ).

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  freetosee

  DD,

  Equal status, equal rights, equal possibility to speak and teach in church –to start with. The differences between man and woman doesn’t mean that women should be subjected to men, wife to husband. I mean treated equally before the law, the community or religious gathering or ceremonies. That males are given much more privileges and authority in the bible is undeniable.

  Maybe I have missed out some scriptures and you can show me in context where I can find women receiving equal possibility to reach out for privileges of oversight. Thank you.
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  Silent Lambs is doing good work.

  by unique1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i found out something interesting.

  a good little witness boy about 16 that i used to babysit and who was in my wedding was caught by his mom, making his littlest cousin (5) (please don't get offended by this.

  i have no idea how to put such an awful thing nicely) suck his %$@*.

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  Wow, I would not expect a CO to proceed in that way. I hope more will follow, even more I hope the WTS will change its policies. Was the CO supported by the service department? What happened is very bad. The molester was only 16 and might be a victim himself. I wonder if the CO would have handled it the same way if the molester was an elder. My experience is that youngsters get hammered down harder in the cong. Are they looking for examples to prove they don’t cover up? There is no big loss in kicking out a disturbed 16 year old. I think the Jesus Cano case will be used to counteract the accusations made by silentlambs and others. If the WTS ever changes its policies it will not admit to the horrendous cover-ups of the past.

  This CO action gives me new hope. Thank you, fts
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  We are all lacking in Faith!

  by The Truth in

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  2. beliefs

  where do i begin?

  well let's see i'm 24yrs old and since i was 5 i've been taught ''the truth'' i remember going to the hall when i was a little girl with my grandmother i attended did the bible study and i learned a lot and i'm greatfull even though i'am no longer in the religion i grew up like everyone else saw and learned a lot of other things of this world none which have made me belive anything i have found myself asking lately what is happening with this world?

  why doesn't doesn't jehovah do something and stop the pain for everyone?

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  Excellent analysis Jeffro, thank you! fts
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  Out of Bethel and still recovering

  by livingalie in

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  hello to all im new to the site i have been looking for about two weeks now .i was at brooklyn bethel from 1994 -1999 and i worked in the barber shop office blgd.

  (25 columbia heights ) .i just wanted to say hi and that many of your post have really been helpful to me as i have gone though some tough times on all levels .

  thanks for letting me just state that .

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  freetosee

  Welcome!
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  Has being a Jehova's witness totally shattered your faith?

  by Silvia Plath in

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  2. experiences

  just because the watchtower society is wrong doesn't mean that there is no god, nor does it mean there is a god.

  it would interesting to now how former members have adjusted thier cosmology, or whether they are now atheists and why.

  i personally see religion as a more personal matter, rather than belonging to an organization.

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  No, definitely not. I left the JW’s because I wanted to serve God and not the elders. In this process I started reading the bible by itself which turned me away from the bible God, Jehovah or Jesus. Today I don’t say there is no God, but even if there is one I have no interest in worshiping him.

  I see the JW faith as money-making-authoritarian-cult which uses religion, fear of death and loneliness to trap new members.
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  last time in field service

  by darth frosty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  another poster had the topic about your last meeting, but what really stands out for me is my last time in service.

  it was a nice day and i was trying to keep up appearances.

  i offered the rags a one door and the householder took them (i didn't bother with the donation spiel.

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  I stopped going to the meetings before I quit FS, because I had many BS and to me FS felt to be the more Christian activity compared with the hypocrisy of the elders and the congregation. I was a pioneer and MS, going to the meetings I was serving the elders, going in FS I was serving Jehovah I thought. I felt more spiritual not filling out a report while conducting my BS’s.

  My last time in FS was when I was visiting relatives overseas. The congregation there knew me from previous visits. So one day the PO and his wife came by and invited me to go. I thought to myself, what will it be like going d-t-d not believing in it? And it was good because it confirmed the many thought and doubts I had at this early stage of my exit.