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  X-FILES Final Episode

  by Yerusalyim in

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  23 years ago

  ok, i just watched the final episode of the x-files!

  who else is disappointed?

  does this mean that dana and mulder are christians now?

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  detective 23 years ago

  I'm definitely a little disappointed. Mulder looked like a raving lunatic... the truth this, the truth that...

  Ooops, this might not be the place to go on about that.

  Anyways, I'm a big X-files fan but this last episode didn't quite work too well, in my opinion. But I was glad to see Nicholas Lea back (krychek) and resurrecting their "deep throat" was kind of fun. Some of the best shows weren't about the conspiracy so it gets a little cumbersome at times although I dug the X-files movie.

  The show wasn't the same without David Duchovny, though Dogget grew on me a bit.

  I thought the ending was a bit hokey...and a bit hopeless despite what Mulder said.

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  Warning-Samples In The Mail

  by Dutchie in

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  23 years ago

  one of my daughters works at citibank in manhattan, and they just passed this memorandum around to everyone.

  i'm posting it here to keep all my fellow apostates safe:.

  "seven women have died after inhaling a free perfume sample that was mailed to them.

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  detective 23 years ago

  This "reeks" of being an urban legend (bad pun intended).

  Unidentified victims, no locations, families willing to keep mum on the loss of a loved one in such a diabolical fashion.

  Smells fishy to me.

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  Bowen Disfellowshipping/Daramsala Salt Works

  by Francois in

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  23 years ago

  bill bowen's disfellowshipping is very likely to have the same effect as the attack, by british and conscripted indian forces, on gandhi's followers who attempted to close the daramsala salt works.

  this event marked the end of the british raj in india - even though the brits stayed in nominal power a couple more years.

  the unprincipled and immoral attack upon unarmed demonstrators showed the world the utter lack of ethics and morals of the the british lording it over someone else in their own home.. likewise, the jw attacks, disfellowshipping of people who attempt to protect the most defenseless, the most helpless, the most innocent members of our society, is a carbon-copy of the arrogance of the british raj in india - and at the salt works that fateful day.. these disfellowshippings will demonstrate to the world the complete moral degeneracy of the watchtower bible and tract society.

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  detective 23 years ago

  From this "outsiders" perspective, the reason this is such a problem is not their claim of speaking directly for god. The problem, as I see it, is that this group has no desire to fix the problem. Their only solution at present is to ignore it, deny it, or if they can't get away with hiding it- dumping the offender out into the "world" without warning or consideration for the "worldly" ones who might cross the offenders path. They are more concerned with their allegedly spotless reputation (and their wallets) then they are with looking after innocent victims within and outside of their organization. They demonstrate absolutely no concern in their callous dealings. They fail to acknowledge their obvious inability to put in place procedures that will help protect people from sexual predators.
  I understand accuracy saying that you can't hold pedophilia against them as there are deviant criminals in all groups but what you can and should hold against the watchtower is how they deal with it.

  As an outsider, I don't really care what those deluded kooks in Brooklyn think of their spiritual mission and being the only true believers. I wouldn't care if they thought they were Santa's special elves.
  What I do care about is:
  1) They kill people (blood policy,organ transplants-
  not to mention ignoring depression, etc.)
  2) They do nothing to protect people within their organization from pedophiles.

  3)They think so little of those outside their group they will toss
  a pedophile out into the "world" or allow a pedophile to come to my door. They don't give a rats ass about anyone except their comically inflated image.

  And, on a personal note, I get more than a little pissed off by their self-righteousness and utter disregard for honesty.

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  The best REMAKE of all times....

  by LDH in

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  23 years ago

  original artist: the temptations.

  remake artist: george michael.

  song: papa was a rolling stone.

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  detective 23 years ago

  Since somebody brought up Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry, I'd have to add that Bryan Ferry's covers of "smoke gets in your eyes" and "These foolish Things" are fantastic.

  Ry Cooder does a great cover of "Blue Suede Shoes".

  One of my favorites: X's cover of "Breathless". (Jerry Lee Lewis sang it previously)

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  The Protect the Children Sham

  by HildaBingen in

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  23 years ago

  once upon a time there was an evil antagonist of god named ha satan.

  this evildoer thought of many ways to make worldlings oppose god's covenant people.

  he finally got a bright idea.

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  detective 23 years ago

  Hilda is doing a good job trying to get people off track with her throwing a morality question into the mix. The dirty old men LUSTING after young pop stars argument is a nice smoke screen.
  Lusting...not against the law.
  Molestation...against the law.

  I'd imagine that this is where Hilda will come up with the very predictable "God's law this" or "Caeser's law that" argument. Don't bother, Hilda.

  But...since you do have a problem with the thought of a child being molested within your organization, why not tell us what you feel would be appropriate handling of such allegations.

  Here's an example of how you can clearly outline this for us:

  I, hilda, think allegations of child molestation should be dealt with in a congregational setting only and secular authorities should not be notified.

  Or, you could say:

  I, Hilda, think the authorities should be called immediately. I think a congregational judicial commitee should also be formed in conjunction with the ongoing secular probe.

  Now, that might clear things up a bit, Hilda.

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  Happy JW Marriages the Impossible Dream?

  by IslandWoman in

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  23 years ago

  while it is not impossible to have a happy marriage in the jw religion for many it is hard, for some it is very hard to maintain happiness in their marriage.

  the watchtower raises the bar so very high in every aspect of life, marriage included.

  the watchtower literature encourages a jw married couple to be practically perfect, or at least that is the goal set before them.

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  detective 23 years ago

  Amac writes:

  I can effectively say that the teaching of the WT is the reason my parents have a happy marriage. If he had gone to another religion, he may not have agreed with their doctrinal beliefs and woudn't have followed any of their advice. Since he became a JW, he did follow their teachings and what they taught him about marriage was a benefit.

  
  If he had gone to another a religion he MAY not have agreed with their doctrinal beliefs and wouldn't have followed any of their advice.

  We can only theorize what he might or might not have done had he joined another religion, right? We don't know what effect joining another religion might have had on his because he didn't join any other religion, he joined the witnesses. It's possible that joining {insert religious group of choice here} could have helped his marriage. We don't know, do we?

  Sounds like they are not following the advice of the WT and the Bible.

  What unique advice does the WT offer on marriages that isn't available elsewhere? Isn't the advice of the WT to follow the bible or is there some other fantastic marriage-fixin' remedy that the WT has cooked up? Please explain what UNIQUE advice has been offered by the WT?

  "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church" (1 Corinthians 14:34-35).

  The WT must have skipped over this in the bible?

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  How about a laugh? PICTURE 2

  by ballistic in

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  2. friends

  23 years ago

  here's a picture straight from jw-media.org.

  all post what you think the one guy is saying to the other.... .

  i've got a few ideas.

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  detective 23 years ago

  "we're cliiiiiimbing the stairway...to Heaven"

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  You gotta be kidding!

  by RR in

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  23 years ago

  just checked out the watchtower.org site.

  guess what the main article is?

  yep child molestation.

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  detective 23 years ago

  Anybody live in AZ that can get a copy of the article? I'd be interested to see it because newspapers don't usually use the word "Jehovah".

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  Thought Experiments and Bill Bowen

  by HildaBingen in

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  23 years ago

  i once had a friend who had racial epithets hurled at her by a white man.

  he was not the only one who showed himself to be a racist.

  she also went to get a job at a huge prominent corporation in a prosperous country and she did not get the job because she was a certain color.

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  detective 23 years ago

  Amac,
  I get your point. But I think your point is still somewhat passive.

  We agree that the policy needs to change. As you put it: "spelled out" in their literature. But you seem to be putting the emphasis on the everyman JW who is simply following church policy when they take their complaints to the elders first. As if Joe publisher is responsible for the reporting system as it stands now. This isn't the case. This a top-down policy where witnesses are expected to report complaints about other witneses (including illegal activities) to elders FIRST. The society dictates this policy. Now, if you think that this policy should be disregarded then it would have to be the society that initiates it. If they fail to do so, who to responsible? The average rank and file witness who follows their policies (usually with the distinct realiztion that failure to do so could result in penalty) or the policy makers themselves?

  You keep insinuating that the parents or the average witness ar shirking their responsibilities by going to the elders first. That's the policy.

  So, the upper eschelon who is responsible for that policy needs to step up and change it. Right?

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  Thought Experiments and Bill Bowen

  by HildaBingen in

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  23 years ago

  i once had a friend who had racial epithets hurled at her by a white man.

  he was not the only one who showed himself to be a racist.

  she also went to get a job at a huge prominent corporation in a prosperous country and she did not get the job because she was a certain color.

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  detective 23 years ago

  amccullough (amac) writes:

  If someone breaks in their house and steals their TV, who do they call? If someone is throwing rocks at their house who do they call? If somone molests their child, who do they call? It should be that simple, but it obviously isn't.

  Who do they call? Why, the police, silly.

  But if it's another witness who steals their television or throws rocks at their house, who do they call then?

  The elders.

  The burden lies with the elders because that's the "arrangement" when dealing witness to witness.

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