Posts by detective

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I've given the matter a lot of thought...

by teejay in

jw
friends

the ascending majesty of do you hear what i hear?

is very beautiful in its own right -- hard to beat.. let it snow!

let it snow!

detective

Hands down it's "Have yourself a merry little Christmas". Except I like it with the original lyrics (you can hear it in that movie about St. Louis? with Judy Garland singing it). Instead of "Hang a shining star upon the highest bough", the original lyrics were a much more mournful, "we'll have to muddle through somehow". Although, I have to say I get rather miffed at those folks who sing it as if it weren't a sad song. La la la. They might as well not sing it at all if they can't even get the spirit of the song right! Oooh, sorry... ranting.

One other thing, since I'm ranting anyway, I HATE that "Grandma got run over by a reindeer song. It's evil. It must...be stopped...too wicked...

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A CALL FOR ACTION IN FRANCE - PLEASE HELP

by bj in

jw
friends

as i said in a previous message, the president of mils, alain vivien in his new parlament report on sects, is plaining to classify jw a religion (the exact term "association confessionnel").

if this would be left done it would be another victory for jw and other european countries might follow the example.

somebody (malka) called this a "fake".

detective

With all due respect Mike, this fellow is asking people to make a commitment of time and effort to put out a letter or email. He is not asking for money for a "professional" press release. I think we've already seen the product of grass roots efforts as the Watchtower ran tail between it's legs from the UN scandal. Asking people to give what they can, in a whatever way they can, is helpful. You asked for monetary resources for something that may or may not be effective in this uphill battle. Rather than feel disappointed about the lack of success in drumming up monetary resources, I personally think it's wise to concentrate on something positive we are trying to do with our voices alone. We've seen what our voices alone can do. Stir them to scream and they might be heard. Ask them to pony up for something people have been busy trying to do for free (contacting press, composing letters and releases) and you may not have as much success. That doesn't mean that if someone can only contribute by writing a letter we should dismiss that contribution. Should we not encourage people to do the best they can by whatever means they have? Try not to be too upset that that particular idea did not go over with a bang. People are still working hard at this. Let's focus on doing more today than we did yesterday and keep at it in whatever way we can.

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Tooting the horn

by Norm in

jw
friends

*** w94 9/1 19 beware of boasting ***.

*** w94 9/1 20 beware of boasting ***.

*w88 1/1 20 - of all those who claim to be christian, only jehovah's witnesses take the preaching of the good news seriously.

detective

Oops, how'd they let this one slip by?

*g95 11/8 30 - Only Witnesses Neutral? Your May 8, 1995, issue ("It's No Secret Anymore") stated: "Only Jehovah's Witnesses have maintained their neutrality and refused to learn or practice war anymore." In World War II, of the 11,996 men who refused to fight, only 940 were Jehovah's Witnesses. I was a conscientious objector myself. The word "only" in your statement was used to paint a false picture that only Jehovah's Witnesses held to this belief.

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Did you just ask me to lie?

by detective in

jw
friends

i just had a conversation here at work with a witness who essentially insinuated that he wanted me to lie so that i could save his elderly mother thirty dollars.

don't get me wrong- i feel quite badly that his mother has to pay for certain necessities.

having worked with low income individuals for some time, i've seen some truly sad situations.

detective

I just had a conversation here at work with a witness who essentially insinuated that he wanted me to lie so that I could save his elderly mother thirty dollars. Don't get me wrong- I feel quite badly that his mother has to pay for certain necessities. Having worked with low income individuals for some time, I've seen some truly sad situations. I do feel bad that sometimes, even though I want to be able to do more for someone, I can't "work the system" any further without jeopardizing program availability for a much larger population.
That said, here's the story: I was delivering the bad news to this woman's son that her situation did not fully qualify her for our state-funded program without her having to make some payments. The son asked me if I couldn't just go into the computer and remove some information so that she would not be held responsible for her payments. I explained that we(my work) are legally obligated to follow state guidelines and that his mother promises certain forthright disclosure when she signs documents relating to this program. In other words, sorry, no comitting fraud today (but I say it nicely, of course).You know, I don't take kindly to implying that I must be somewhat heartless because I can't bend the rules on some things. Especially when it endangers the programs ability to reach a larger population.
Then he quotes Proverbs to me. I guess this is supposed to make me feel, what...worse? (This is where I flip the page and confirm my suspicion that he's a witness. So I sweetly say to him, "I appreciate your citing scripture and all but I believe there is also something in the bible about lying?"
Well, other than one additional mention of trusting a different kind of government, he didn't go any further. Too bad, as I'm having one hell of a day and would gladly spar- I just can't pick fights- but I can respond to comments made to me!

His mother allegedly has a loving community ready to help her! The congregation can't find thirty bucks? No, he'd rather we all lie and endanger the program for everybody else.

I'm just so sick of this stuff.

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URGENT AND IMPORTANT. TO BE READ BY ALL

by bj in

jw
friends

in france, a new parlament report on sects was just writen (but not yet published)by alain vivien(president of mils)and his team.

to the surprise of all ex-jw victims, jehovah's witnesses are now recognisied as "association confessionnel", in other words religion.

if this would be published, it would be another victory for the wbts worldwide and open new opportunities for them which they well know how to take profit.

detective

I'll send them an email. What the hell! I think responding in bulk is the answer so I'll contribute by sending along an email. It would be good if other people would also be willing to send them a letter or email. I firmly believe the only way to get the grease is to be the squeaky wheel.

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Mormon shunning article in Balt. Sun today

by lauralisa in

bluesapphire wrote on dec. 5:.

hey, there is a very good article on mormon shunning on the front page of the saturday los angeles times.

i'm going to respond to this journalist and tell him about the dubs.

detective

this article was also carried in the Boston Globe today. I'd be interested to see how they stirred up interest. Is persistence the best way to get the press' attention? Hmmmm.

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UN/WTS SCANDAL IN USA NEWSPAPER

by hawkaw in

after much hard work a certain person has finally got the story published through a letter to the editor in the san bernardino sun.

you will find the article in the november 28, 2001 edition of the newspaper in the "opinion" section.

note the voice of the people section.

detective

I'm posting information on how to contact the AZ Republic. We know they were interested in Mormon shunning behaviors. Would they like to hear about another high control group? I think you've got to take every opening you get so those of you who have a letter to the editor or a press release, try sending it to them. The squeaky wheel will get the grease so if you've got a story to tell, tell it to them!
Info on contacting them is below:

Press releases

If you’d like to send a press release, please fax it to The Arizona Republic newsroom at (602) 444-8044 or send it via U.S. Mail to: The Arizona Republic Newsroom, 200 E. Van Buren St., Mail Code NM19, Phoenix, AZ 85004.

News tips and story ideas

If you see news happening, or know of something that should be covered in The Arizona Republic, email us at [email protected] with as much detail as possible and your contact information. You may also call the newsroom at (602) 444-8235.

Letters to the Editor

The Arizona Republic welcomes letters to the editor of up to 200 words on any topic. They may be edited for clarity and length. Letters must include your name, address and a daytime phone number. If your letter is selected for publication, we will notify you.

Letters to the editor, opinion and editorial columns and articles submitted to The Arizona Republic may be published or distributed in print, electronic or other forms.

Send a letter to the editor using our convenient online form. Letters can be sent via U.S. Mail to: Letters to the Editor, The Arizona Republic, P.O. Box 2244, Phoenix, AZ 85002. Letters may also be faxed to (602) 444-8933.

To read a brief explanation of the policy that the Arizona Republic Editorial Board uses in selecting letters to the editor for publication, click here For more information, call (602) 444-8499.

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WTS Document found in UN Collection - MAJOR

by hawkaw in

i have received a package from the united nations high commissioner for human rights.

you may recall that dino found out that the uns high commissioners office in geneva, switzerland has in its collection the november 22, 1998 awake!

magazine article titled a long job finished (pages 3 and 4) and a second article titled the universal declaration of human rights (page 5).

detective

YES!
This is wonderful news. It deserves to be front and center so I'm bringing it back up to the top. Thanks, Hawk.

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Mormon shunning and such

by target in

this article is in today's phoenix paper (dec 15) sure sounds like jw tactics.. .

http://www.arizonarepublic.com/news/articles/1215mormons15.html.

target

detective

This is quite a story. One heard here many times over. I thought people might be interested in commenting so I took information from their website in case any are interested in contacting the AZ Republic paper. I will also put this on the UN thread as some people might feel inspired to share their thoughts with the paper. Info on how to contact them is below:
_______________________

Press releases

If you’d like to send a press release, please fax it to The Arizona Republic newsroom at (602) 444-8044 or send it via U.S. Mail to: The Arizona Republic Newsroom, 200 E. Van Buren St., Mail Code NM19, Phoenix, AZ 85004.

News tips and story ideas

If you see news happening, or know of something that should be covered in The Arizona Republic, email us at [email protected] with as much detail as possible and your contact information. You may also call the newsroom at (602) 444-8235.

Letters to the Editor

The Arizona Republic welcomes letters to the editor of up to 200 words on any topic. They may be edited for clarity and length. Letters must include your name, address and a daytime phone number. If your letter is selected for publication, we will notify you.

Letters to the editor, opinion and editorial columns and articles submitted to The Arizona Republic may be published or distributed in print, electronic or other forms.

Send a letter to the editor using our convenient online form. Letters can be sent via U.S. Mail to: Letters to the Editor, The Arizona Republic, P.O. Box 2244, Phoenix, AZ 85002. Letters may also be faxed to (602) 444-8933.

To read a brief explanation of the policy that the Arizona Republic Editorial Board uses in selecting letters to the editor for publication, click here For more information, call (602) 444-8499.

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New York Times & UN/WTS

by biblexaminer in

new york times december 15, 2001 .

in a startling revelation, the watchtower bible and tract society of brooklyn ny, parent organization to the jehovah's witness religion, was exposed for a stark contradiction in their religious practices.. it was revealed this week by the guardian (a leading uk newspaper) that the governing body of the watchtower religion had secretly erected a christmas tree in celebration of the festive season.

when the facts were made public this week, the watchtower quickly, and quietly, removed the tree to another location.. paul gilles, spokesman for the watchtower in great briton, wrote a letter to the guardian, in which he stated that the "tree was in no way secret" and that it was "necessary to gain access to the un library".

detective

Very good, bible examiner!