Posts by OneLord

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The great pyramid

by OneLord in

most people would consider it very wacky to connect the pyramid of gizah with the bible.

russell's claim was that the pyramid, the 1.st wonder of the world, was a witness down the ages containing god's plan.

the teachings and ideas on this seem to be so complex, that few people would spend / waste the time required to study these things.

Most people would consider it very wacky to connect the pyramid of Gizah with the Bible. Russell's claim was that the pyramid, the 1.st wonder of the world, was a witness down the ages containing God's plan. The teachings and ideas on this seem to be so complex, that few people would spend / waste the time required to study these things. But on the other hand, I know the Bible contains many references to Egypt. The exodus is used as a motif in the NT, several Revelation concepts such as the second death concept steems from egyptian mythology etc. and its pretty common knowledge that the Bible uses Egypt as a symbol of the sinful world. Has anyone studied this or have some sources they can recommend? It's a topic I would like to look closer into some time.

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What did you learn throughout the years as a JW?

by JH in

what did you learn about the watchtower organization.

what did you learn about the jw's .

what did you learn about god in general and the kingdom to come?

OneLord

Hi fullofdoubtnow,

Thanks for the answer and the wellcome . I am interested in the link ex-JWs often seem to draw between leaving JW and Christianity, when in fact many of us think JW isnt Christianity.

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1000 Year Reign of Christ - A little help please

by rassillon in

ok all you wile e. coyote super genius types.... .

i have been looking at some of russell's charts and such and it is indicated that the millinial reign of christ would have begun in 1874 new understanding 1914..... .

does this mean that we are now living nearly a 100 years into the 1000 year reign?

OneLord

The Bible Students today believe Jesus did in fact return in 1878 to rule invisible and that this reign will continue to 2878. In 2878, the door to salvation would be closed.

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Infallibility of Scripture

by drew sagan in

one of this biggest teachings present in mostly all christian denominations is the idea that the bible is infallibile.

my question is, where does the bible say this?

i know of many scriptures that point to the idea that what was written was directed by god, but where does the idea that what written is totally without error originate?

OneLord

Dear Narkissos,

I can honestly not figure out whether I am not intelligent enough to understand you, and my mind is hopelessly trapped in religious thinking or if you have simply developed a nice thesis to give your mind rest from religion .

I can tell you I personally believe God did know of say the holocaust "before" (my small mind humbly refrains from speculating what was "before" time) he created the eons and therefore also that the holocaust to an extent was his desire. JWs speak of God allowing things, but they need to add to that that the things God allows, he also sustains, carries through and is responsible towards. On the other hand, God has specific purposes revealed to Church. Therefore I think to speak of the two wills of God is the best we can do. I think those that discard that idea forget what they are up against here, namely something no man can fully understand anyway.

I know that this is soo far from JW thinking.

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What did you learn throughout the years as a JW?

by JH in

what did you learn about the watchtower organization.

what did you learn about the jw's .

what did you learn about god in general and the kingdom to come?

OneLord

A question for the ex-JWs who responded; do you think you were Christians in your JW days?

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Infallibility of Scripture

by drew sagan in

one of this biggest teachings present in mostly all christian denominations is the idea that the bible is infallibile.

my question is, where does the bible say this?

i know of many scriptures that point to the idea that what was written was directed by god, but where does the idea that what written is totally without error originate?

OneLord

Hi Narkissos,

[qoute]Then he wanted all the Bible canons and versions in the world history, including the NWT, to be exactly what they are. And the Qur'an. And the Book of Mormon. And every single piece of writing since Sumer. "All scripture" indeed. What was lost he wanted lost, what was kept he wanted kept, what was discovered he wanted discovered, what was changed he wanted changed.

I'm not being sarcastic. Actually that's what pure monotheism, including absolute providence, would imply. But it is not what "Bible believers" usually believe.[/qoute]

Why would this follow as a rule? Why would God be unable to preserve something and let other writings get lost or corrupted? I would agree with one thing though speaking generically; if God exists, then God has a hand in everything. But I dont think extreme calvinism is the only alternative to the popular free will teaching. God would know all things but not necessarily be the direct cause of all things. Otherwise we limit God and assume the absurdity that we would know how God works (again assuming God exists).

[qoute]Sure, but is it not what happens always?

In my experience, the most inclined to twist the interpretation of the Bible (their Bible) are those who do not allow themselves, consciously, to "pick and choose". When you are unable to say "I disagree with this text" you have to make it look acceptable in your own eyes, no matter what it actually says. Fundamentalist exegesis offers tons of examples, from harmonisation to anachronism via political correctness. The Bible can't be wrong, but then we'll have it say what we want to hear.[/qoute]

From my experience, "you have to make it acceptable in your own eyes" is a trademark of the JWs. Perhaps also because they feel they need to explain everything in their businesslike manner, while it seems to me many Christians easier simply leave issues they can not reconcile.

To me the harsh passages are not evidence that the Bible isnt God's word. I would not say I could not believe in a holy book without harsh things, but I do not find it logical or plausible that the Creator of all things and of this world would always treat men or reveal himself in manners we would find acceptable. Nor would I consider our opinions about such a being that relevant. To face this is sobering and humiliates our human pride. A very simple exercise is to consider the world situation the JWs speak about. Yes it's bad, but it's how God wants things to be of present. However we can choose and believe God has a purpose behind of all of it. Generically speaking, if God exists, then God is bigger than we can understand anyway. So I am opposed to the idea that we should make Scripture acceptable to our eyes, while I think we have every right to say when we read something or experience something we find too harsh.

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Infallibility of Scripture

by drew sagan in

one of this biggest teachings present in mostly all christian denominations is the idea that the bible is infallibile.

my question is, where does the bible say this?

i know of many scriptures that point to the idea that what was written was directed by god, but where does the idea that what written is totally without error originate?

OneLord

We can only assume that the Bible is as God wants us to have it. We can not proof it anymore than we can proof that nothing in the Bible is the Word of God. That must be such a wonderful frustrating thing to both all the bible fundamentalists and all the Jesus haters out there. Some may say that God told him or her that all in the Bible is true, but that's not courtevidence. But actually what I find most problematic is when people pick and choose what to believe in the Bible based on ideas about what God would say and do. Then it's 100% certain that such a person's holy book becomes the word of men.