Very nice post Voideater. Food for thought
Paul
ok for those that don't know i have been going to aa for about six months now.. within the aa program step 3 of the 12 step program speaks about turning our will over to a higher power.
as the aa does not align itself to a religion or sect the closing prayer in an aa meeting is said to a god of our own understanding.. when i first went to a meeting and it closed with a prayer i left fuming.
i thought i had put the god thing away 12,13 years ago.
Very nice post Voideater. Food for thought
Paul
i just thought i'd briefly introduce myself.
my name is april, i am a navy wife and mother of six children, will be 30 next month, and have been disfellowshipped for almost 12 years.
i was also reproved two years prior to that.
Welcome to the board.
Paul
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i start my padi open water scuba diving lessons later this month and i'm really looking forward to it.
anybody here done the course?.
I dive Nic.
Started in October of last year, love it. I went the BSAC route though, rather than the PADI. It's more club orientated, get to meet other divers and become part of a club, whereas the PADI is better if you just want it for holidays and stuff.
Is it Stoney you're going to be doing it in?
Paul
Edit ... Aaarghh...I've just noticed it's an old thread bumped. There should be some warning or something, anyway i dive.
i have posted a question over at yahoo!
answers about the dubious claim the jw's have to the truth.
please check it out and see what crap i have stirred up with this one.. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=atumef7nt256.0tbigqithxty6ix;_ylv=3?qid=20080723011501aatbvuo.
And a bit of white spirit on your wet scrim will leave them streak free too
Paul
i have posted a question over at yahoo!
answers about the dubious claim the jw's have to the truth.
please check it out and see what crap i have stirred up with this one.. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=atumef7nt256.0tbigqithxty6ix;_ylv=3?qid=20080723011501aatbvuo.
honest question to your question: were these religions formed before or AFTER the JW's? i remember hearing someone also saying that the seventh day adventists did the same thing, apparently it was formed by an ex-JW. it's just a spin-off, don't you think? kind of how "joey" was a spin-off from "friends"? same premise, but nobody really watched it.
Paul
ok for those that don't know i have been going to aa for about six months now.. within the aa program step 3 of the 12 step program speaks about turning our will over to a higher power.
as the aa does not align itself to a religion or sect the closing prayer in an aa meeting is said to a god of our own understanding.. when i first went to a meeting and it closed with a prayer i left fuming.
i thought i had put the god thing away 12,13 years ago.
Nobody???
Paul
there are so many reasons why i liked being a jehovahs's witness.
1. we got to count time when we share our faith with nonbelievers or our young children.
2. we didn't have to go to college to get a good job as a janitor or a window washer.
We also had the privilege of becoming experts at fighting off vicious dogs with our umbrellas.
Or book bags!
Paul
we've all heard the cliches .
" when the going get's tough, the tough get going .
" etc., etc., ...... " better to have loved and lost .... than never loved at all.
Half full every time.
Both my father and ex wife are half empty type characters, they do my head in always looking for the negative.
I am of the belief that if things are getting bad, then the only person who is going to put them right is me. Nobody is going to do it for me so what's the point in moaning. If it's something out of my control then accept it, if it's something that i can change then change it, but don't bring others down just because i feel fed up as it will only make things worse.
Paul
P.S. Have you noticed the reading glasses advert at the bottom?
i am wondering how much of my anxiety about the end of the world is from the wt experience, and how much is just me.
i just watched wall-e, and while a cute movie, it really made me anxious.
scifi in general makes me nervous.
I felt like that in the early stages of leaving. It takes time to see through the BS you have been fed, but you will get there.
Paul
ok for those that don't know i have been going to aa for about six months now.. within the aa program step 3 of the 12 step program speaks about turning our will over to a higher power.
as the aa does not align itself to a religion or sect the closing prayer in an aa meeting is said to a god of our own understanding.. when i first went to a meeting and it closed with a prayer i left fuming.
i thought i had put the god thing away 12,13 years ago.
Ok for those that don't know i have been going to AA for about six months now.
Within the AA program step 3 of the 12 step program speaks about turning our will over to a higher power. As the AA does not align itself to a religion or sect the closing prayer in an AA meeting is said to a God of our own understanding.
When i first went to a meeting and it closed with a prayer i left fuming. I thought i had put the God thing away 12,13 years ago. This has made me look into the JW doctrines and beliefs and see why i am so angry with it.
I decided to go back to some meetings, the BS i heard really made me seperate God from that religion. I now realise that to have an understanding of God i do not need to be a JW, which was my ultimate dilemma.
Now i am at a point where i do not know what i believe. I am a creationist of sorts, so i cannot go along with any other thing than a higher intelligence. I have tried the Atheist route, but i think that had more to do with rejection of religion, God just went out of the window with that.
Within the AA many have come to the conclusion that the group can be a higher power, this i can live with in the short term, but not the long term because ultimately i believe in a God, problem is i don't know what or which God. I have read the 'we agnostics' section in the big book but as to yet this doesn't answer my questions. Some in the AA say anything can be a higher power, Elvis was one response, a motorbike another. I cannot follow this line and don't feel comfortable with this.
Now if i want to remain sober i have to come to a decision on a God of my own understanding, because anything less and i am not being true to myself. So my question is this...
If you had to choose a God of your own understanding, what would you choose?
Paul