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  When was the Mosaic law abolished?

  by digderidoo in

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  luke 16:16... "the law and the prophets were until john" 29ce.

  colossians 2:14..nwt(sorry).."by nailing it to the torture stake" 33ce.

  paul.

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  Hmm seems that the Mosaic law is phased out rather then cutting short. In order for mosaic prophesy to be fulfilled Jesus has to appear and die faithful to be concecrated as King. So John is the begining of the transition by hailing the Messiah has arrived, and Christ's death puts the final nail in the coffin of the Mosaic law

  Interesting point yknot.

  I have a JW pointing out Matthew 18:17 to me, Jesus is speaking to his disciples, saying to treat the wrongdoer as "a man of the nations"

  His argument is that the disciples were Jewish believers, who were under law not to associate with Gentiles, therefore upholding JW disfellowshipping policy. My counter argument has been that the disciples were not under the Mosaic law according to Luke 16:16, that Jesus examples showed that he spoke to people of the nations, therefore his words at Matthew 18:17 cannot mean to shun the individual.

  It seems to me that it didn't happen overnight, seems to be phased out as you say.

  Paul
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  When was the Mosaic law abolished?

  by digderidoo in

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  luke 16:16... "the law and the prophets were until john" 29ce.

  colossians 2:14..nwt(sorry).."by nailing it to the torture stake" 33ce.

  paul.

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  digderidoo

  Luke 16:16... "the law and the prophets were until John" 29CE

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  Colossians 2:14..NWT(sorry).."by nailing it to the torture stake" 33CE

  Paul
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  Daniel's 69 and 70 week prophecy

  by digderidoo in

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  i have been told by a jw that 36ce ends daniels 70 week prophecy, how do they work this out?.

  i know the starting point is 455bce, but could someone elaborate?

  the guy has stated it as matter of fact, it sort of smells like the 1914 prophecy to me, but may be i'm wrong.. paul.

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  I have been told by a JW that 36ce ends Daniels 70 week prophecy, how do they work this out?

  I know the starting point is 455bce, but could someone elaborate? The guy has stated it as matter of fact, it sort of smells like the 1914 prophecy to me, but may be i'm wrong.

  Paul
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  1914 The End of the Gentile Times?

  by sacolton in

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  did the watchtower claim that the scripture at luke 21:24 had been fulfilled?.

  they will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations.

  jerusalem will be trampled on by the gentiles until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.. .

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  ** The Time Is at Hand (SS-2), 1907 ed., p. 76-78 ***

  In this chapter we will present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the Gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men…

  Firstly, That at that date the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, "Thy Kingdom come," will obtain full, universal control, and that it will then be "set up," or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions.

  Secondly, It will prove that he whose right it is thus to take the domination will then be present as earth’s new Ruler…

  Thirdly, It will prove that some time before the end of A.D. 1914 the last member of the divinely recognized Church of Christ, the "royal priesthood," "the body of Christ," will be glorified with the Head…

  Fourthly, It will prove that from that time forward Jerusalem shall no longer be trodden down by the Gentiles…

  Fifthly, it will prove that by that date, or sooner, Israel’s blindness will begin to be turned away…

  Sixthly, It will prove that the great "time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation," will reach its culmination in a world-wide reign of anarchy…

  Seventhly, It will prove that before that date [italics in original] God’s Kingdom, organized in power, will be in the earth and then smite and crush the Gentile image (Dan. 2:34) - and fully consume the power of these kings.

  Fairly clear cut to me.

  Paul
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  1914 The End of the Gentile Times?

  by sacolton in

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  did the watchtower claim that the scripture at luke 21:24 had been fulfilled?.

  they will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations.

  jerusalem will be trampled on by the gentiles until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.. .

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  The date of the close of that 'battle' is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874. Zion's Watch Tower, 15 January 1892, page 1355

  We see no reason for changing the figures--nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.
  Zion's Watch Tower, 15 July 1894, page 1677

  There are more quotations out there, as to what they were saying prior to 1914.

  Paul
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  1914 The End of the Gentile Times?

  by sacolton in

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  did the watchtower claim that the scripture at luke 21:24 had been fulfilled?.

  they will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations.

  jerusalem will be trampled on by the gentiles until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.. .

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  They also split the scripture in two and say the first line was a 1st century fulfilment, whereas the second line was fulfilled in 1914

  Paul
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  Disfellowshipping and 1 Corinthians 5:9-11

  by digderidoo in

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  i have these couple of jw's quoting this verse at me in an attempt to justify disfellowshipping, pair of morons.. in my letter i wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10 not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters.

  otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world.

  11 but now i am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.. why do they not see that these scriptures limit "sinful behaviour" to just a few behaviours, but not only that it doesn't say parents should shun their children.. can't believe how the wt misapplies some scripture and at the same time the individual jw just blindly follows.. just my rant for the day.. paul.

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  Where in 2 Corinthians is that isaac? I have given my full explanation of how i see 1Cor 5 apply, but must admit i'm a little rusty.

  Thanks

  Paul
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  Disfellowshipping and 1 Corinthians 5:9-11

  by digderidoo in

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  i have these couple of jw's quoting this verse at me in an attempt to justify disfellowshipping, pair of morons.. in my letter i wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10 not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters.

  otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world.

  11 but now i am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.. why do they not see that these scriptures limit "sinful behaviour" to just a few behaviours, but not only that it doesn't say parents should shun their children.. can't believe how the wt misapplies some scripture and at the same time the individual jw just blindly follows.. just my rant for the day.. paul.

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  I have these couple of JW's quoting this verse at me in an attempt to justify disfellowshipping, pair of morons.

  In my letter I wrote YOU to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10 not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, YOU would actually have to get out of the world. 11 But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.

  Why do they not see that these scriptures limit "sinful behaviour" to just a few behaviours, but not only that it doesn't say parents should shun their children.

  Can't believe how the WT misapplies some scripture and at the same time the individual JW just blindly follows.

  Just my rant for the day.

  Paul
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  Elder stakeouts! Anyone done one / been a victim of one?

  by sir82 in

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  suppose the elders get an anonymous letter or phone call, or even a brave soul tells them that they no "brother so-and-so" is sleeping with "sister suzy q".

  or a believing jw has a "non-scriptural" divorce, and wants proof her ex is sleeping with someone else.

  the elders' manual says the "strong circumstantial evidence, such as evidence that the accused spent all night in the house of someone of the opposite sex who is not his wife or a family member" (paraphrase) can be used as evidence in a judicial case.. to get such "strong circumstantial eveidnce", elders have been known to "stake out" a house, spending all night in a car watching a house.. in all my time as an elder, i was never involved in one of these.

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  My ex wife started dating a guy, who she eventually married, we had been seperated a couple of years, but not divorced.

  My mother had a bee in her bonnet about this, so she and my dad travelled 10 miles to her house at 4am on about 3 occasions. On the final occasion they saw his car there. All of this i may add was not known to me until afterwards

  When she reported this to the elders, my dad who was at the time no longer going to meetings, did not want to get involved, even though he had driven there. He didn't want to appear as a witness before a judicial comittee.

  They then had the cheek to ask my mother to ask me to see if i could catch the car there, even though i had faded about 3 years previous.

  Apparently she said the car had broken down or something like that.

  Anyway upon finding out what my mother had done and upon finding out what the elders had asked me to do, i told them all to go forth and multiply, but not quite that polite.

  Paul
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  Have you made arrangements for your civil funeral?

  by digderidoo in

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  it may sound morbid, but have you?.

  it appears that the funeral of a disfellowshipped person would be, that an elder if he feels that there may be some repentence on the behalf of the person that they would give a funeral, but not at the kingdom hall.. this leads me to think what would i want?

  i certainly wouldn't want an elder to give a talk at my funeral.

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  It may sound morbid, but have you?

  It appears that the funeral of a disfellowshipped person would be, that an elder if he feels that there may be some repentence on the behalf of the person that they would give a funeral, but not at the kingdom hall.

  This leads me to think what would i want? I certainly wouldn't want an elder to give a talk at my funeral. But at the same time i do not want a conventional one. This is something i haven't given much thought about, but i couldn't bear the thought of an elder doing my funeral, which at the moment could well be the case if, God forbid, my number comes up.

  Paul