Posts by done4good

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Just for the record Vincent Toole and Terrence Obrien you are both lying SOBs

by joe134cd in

i just thought i would mention this on the off chance they might be lurking here.

the two quotes are.

(1)vincent toole ="i've never heard of the term 'theocratic warfare'".

done4good

TheOldHippie-Speaking from personal experience I had people tell me,,,,,,,"Speaking from MY personal experience, in my congregation's district there are some 8-10 inactive ones, and they are greeted and well treated by everone in the congregation, visited from time to time etc. One of them has been an elder, two servants. So it is a risky business to try to broaden one's own personal experience to be the one and only truth for the entire world. I never would try to say my experience is the universal one, and perhaps neither should you.

This does not wash, and reads as typical apologist bullshit. You are using a straw man. No one is saying it applied to the "entire world". What people are saying holds true mostly, and that is the point. Stop being so intellectually dishonest.

JWs do not tolerate former believers. "Inactive" is a JW proprietary term, and its importance does vary from person to person. That is really about as subjective as this matter becomes. The second a JW openly admits to no longer being a believer, (DF/DA or not), just watch how many "greet [this individual] and well treated by everyone", he/she is. Former believers are a direct source of cognitive dissonance for a believer. They will shun them automatically. And yes, I do speak from experience, and it does damn near apply almost universally.

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Why don't they just lie about the numbers?

by Sour Grapes in

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friends

why doesn't the wtbts just lie and increase the published amount of people who attend the memorial?

who would know the difference?

the same with the amount munching on the crackers and sipping the wine.

done4good

FayeDunaway - I completely agree with sir82, and it reflects the mindset of JW philosophy ....be meticulously accurate about the little stuff, totally screw with the big stuff.

That is what happens when one uses an ancient bronze age tribal assemblage of writings as a moral compass.

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Depressing chat to my still-in brother about the RC

by Lemonp in

here is a quick breakdown of our conversation (by text message).

me: "have you read about the royal commission?

the org has been covering up child abuse.

done4good

The silver lining is it means they know about it. You cannot do much about the cognitive dissonance, it is expected.

This is getting coverage, the WTS is scared, and the inmates are getting restless. This is a win-win.

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Why won't they simply change policy on sex offenders? Will they?

by punkofnice in

why won't they (the wbt$ head honchos), simply change policy on sex offenders?

will they?..especially after the arc for eg?

it seems that with all the bad press and now the arc among other institutions that are exposing the wbt$ for a haven for paedophiles, why hasn't the wbt$ simply changed it's insane policy?.

done4good

Two reasons.

1. It sends a powerful message to the R&F that things are very broken in the organization and it is not "The Truth".

2. Once the two witness rule changes, it provides the slippery slope that would cause the whole judicial process the organization uses to fall apart.

The first one they can do little about. The longer they wait to address the issue, the truth will be exposed anyway, and will be uglier than ever. That is happening now, and will only increase as time passes. The second one they are holding on to dear life for, because once the judicial process in the organization is weakened, the organization loses a key control mechanism it is ill equipped to do without. The organization would crumble as we know it, even if it survives in some form.

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What is their official explanation for not allowing beards?

by keyser soze in

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i ask because my gf, who knows all about my jw upbringing, convinced me to grow a goatee, just to see how it looks.

we both decided it looked good so i decided to keep it.

i tried to explain to her that as a jw, i wasn't allowed to grow one, but then drew a blank when she asked me why.

done4good

Terry nailed it.

It is about obedience. Basically, if they can get you to obey on something so banal, they can get you to obey on anything they expect.

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Gross hypocrisy in September 15, 2015 Watchtower

by Island Man in

ask any jw the question "why do jehovah's witnesses impose their views on others?

we do not impose our views on anyone!".

do you impose your views on others?

done4good

There are times when I really do think there are moles in Bethel...

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This too Shall Pass (RC Commission vs WTS)

by undercover in

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while i'm glad that the practices of the wts are under review and the australian commission is taking them to task, i'm not really expecting huge changes in the long run.

oh, they may have to agree to some changes in how they report crimes brought to elders' attention, but this excitement over the supposed expose of wt practices shall pass, and jws will soon be canvassing neighborhoods and rolling their carts, looking for converts.

conventions will go on.

done4good

It is not about all or nothing and has never been. It is about small changes forced by social evolution. This is happening for sure.

Just look back at the last 15 years and it becomes clear to see the organization is feeling the pressure. Don't go by the numbers. They can always find ways to spin those positive, since their accounting methods for membership and finances are proprietary to them. The anecdotal evidence is very compelling. The organization has been bleeding its best and brightest for some time.The intelligent that remain are apathetic at best. The quality of the writing is almost infantile, and the authoritarian controls are at an almost all time high. These changes are a reflection and microcosm of what is happening to all authoritarian groups, especially those religiously based.

The RC will not "bring down" the organization. This is part of a long term death of 1000s of cuts, and is following the trajectory of the demise of religion in general, (don't go by the US Midwest or South either, those are outliers on a world scale, along with the Middle East; Both regions have high representation of authoritarian types). That said, the RC is different in its approach than a conventional civil or criminal court trial, in that it is not performing within the protocols of a typical court system. This is allowing it great ability to expose information that is educating many people about the inner workings of the organization, and this will continue long after it is over.

This trend will continue elsewhere. It is not over by any means.

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Excuse me, but what is this Rothschild thing that a poster is talking about?

by umbertoecho in

i don't know why this person is saying this (to me) mad sort of statement.

where is this information coming from?

what evidence is he/she citing?

done4good

Google it and see how many conspiracy nutter websites come up.

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I'm not sure........I listened carefully to Justice McClellan, he said until Friday......

by umbertoecho in

however, it may be that they are trying to find jackson and see if he will come in to assist.

it has been said on a wt friendly news site, that jackson has declined.

i don't know what this means in terms of what the rc will decide to do.

done4good

Vidiot - Authoritarian ideology-based regimes are loathe to be seen submitting to the demands of their opponents; they'd rather burn to the ground.

I would add that those regimes are fundamentally incapable of anything but burning themselves to the ground in the long run. It is inherent to the design.

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The Australian Royal Commission will NOT do a damn thing to the WT!

by Calebs Airplane in

the rothschild family will not allow the aussies to take any significant action against their religious wing (mormons, jws, adventists, etc.).

the worst outcome for the borg will be a relatively small fine and a deadline to change their rules.

that is all..

done4good

No one is suppressing anyone's views, user,
Definitive statements devoid of actual facts or evidence should be called out for exactly what they are. We are doing no one any favors by placating stupidity - not the posters, the members, the lurkers and least of all the conspiracy theorists.
Not everyone telling you sweet things is your friend, user, and not everyone telling you truthful things that sting a bit is your enemy.

Excellent points, DJS.

Not everything is a matter of opinion. False and potentially dangerous information should be systematically deconstructed for what it is. Any time spent performing some open-minded research would prove any of these theories wrong in a very short time.

Almost all conspiracy theories have three things in common, so look for them:

1. Consider limited evidence, and only evidence that can support the theory, (confirmation bias). Additional evidence can usually very easily be presented that would debunk the theory.

2. Those who believe those theories will never accept evidence to the contrary when it is shown to them.

3. The theories are usually the product of fear of a specific group or groups.

Does this not sound WT-esque now?

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