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  WELCOME MY AWESOME FRIEND BODHISATTVA!!!!!

  by Good Girl or Bad Girl? in

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  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/member/24752.ashx.

  this is one cool (and hot) chick, y'all.

  give her a warm welcome.. luv ya, boddhi, xxoo, gg/bg.

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  Welcome Bodhisattva!

  I spent some time in the Raytown and Gladstone congs when I lived in the KC area. I know people in Olathe, Bonner Springs, etc.

  Is that name a take on Steely Dan song?

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  New Urban Legend! Anyone heard about Hormel?

  by gaiagirl in

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  a member of another conservative cult (calls itself a bible fellowship) where i work told me that hormel, the makers of canned chili and other foods, is run by homosexuals, and that i shouldn't buy or eat their products.

  i asked how the bedroom practices of the company owners or employees affected the quality of the food?

  their reply was that "everything gives off something" and that the food would be tainted by some kind of deviant unnatural vibes because the owners/employees were deviant and following an unnatural lifestyle.

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  Thanks, RunningMan, my memory wasn't too far off.

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  Cover Letter and Letter of Disassociation.

  by AK - Jeff in

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  2. experiences

  i am forced to either accept df'ing without any defense [i clearly have none against charges of apostasy], or to at least 'speak my mind' one last time as i exit, with a hope of perhaps helping others to 'wake up'.. to that end - i have elected to send a letter of da to the elders - but more importantly - a copy of it, with a cover letter, to several families in the congregation.

  most of these things never have a positive result, i know.

  but at least i have attempted in this way to give a little defense for my position.

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  Good letter, Jeff. If, for no other reason, it is good to at least set matters straight with your friends before any announcement is made. While I too, have decided to just "let sleeping dogs lie", IF it comes down to the same situation you found yourself in with the elders, I'm going to have to do the same thing.

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  Is the WTS changing positions on the croos vs. stake?

  by whyizit in

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  2. friends

  my husband was listening to a radio station the other day and said there was news that the wts has decided that jesus dying on a cross rather than a stake may not be as far-fetched as they once thought.. have any of you heard this?

  i have been cruising the threads to see if there was already one on this subject.

  if there is, point me to it!

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  Haven't seen any changes in the literature. I always felt that it really doesn't matter. Who cares if it had a crossbar on it or not? Doesn't change anything important. It is the society making a mountain out of a molehill as usual to be different from other religions.

  Even when I was a jw, this was always something I put into the "It Just Doesn't Matter" category. During Rutherford's day, he did everything possible to separate his religion from everyone else's. Hell, he didn't even call it a RELIGION.

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  The JWs still blind to the implications of the 1995 generation change

  by greendawn in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  in 1995 the wts as time finally caught up with them, they had to yield to the inevitable and admit that its hitherto interpretation of the so called 1914 last generation was erroneous.

  to all intents and purposes the end was indefinitely posrponed it could be centuries away according to the new explanation.

  yet the r&f do not seem to realise these implications and are apparently suffering from collective blindness they still believe the end is as near as it was before 1995, just round the corner.

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  I really don't get how it was just accepted basically without question, and I am included in that group.

  Me too, Warlock. I knew many who were very troubled by the change at the time, (none that I can think of actually left). As for myself, it didn't seem to bother me that much, then. I guess timimg had something to do with it. When I was baptized in '88, I had a hard time with the whole 70 or 80 year thing, because we were already 74 years into this, and I somehow didn't see the big A happening by 1994. Also, it seemed somewhat like date fixing, (like 1975, etc), as if the system MUST end by the 80 year timeframe. So, I guess, when 1995 came around, (81 years), I simply assumed the change made sense.

  What DIDN'T make sense, was the EXPLAINATION of what "generation" now meant. To this day, I still cannot explain the current understanding. From what I can tell, it somehow says, "this generation, (the one that sees the events of the last days), will not end until Armeggedon comes", that seems like a very weak explaination to me, but in fact that's all it seems to say. There is no more significance to the term "generation". It is effectively meaningless by the current definition. Very obvious to me now, btw.

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  New Urban Legend! Anyone heard about Hormel?

  by gaiagirl in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a member of another conservative cult (calls itself a bible fellowship) where i work told me that hormel, the makers of canned chili and other foods, is run by homosexuals, and that i shouldn't buy or eat their products.

  i asked how the bedroom practices of the company owners or employees affected the quality of the food?

  their reply was that "everything gives off something" and that the food would be tainted by some kind of deviant unnatural vibes because the owners/employees were deviant and following an unnatural lifestyle.

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  This whole rumour reminds me of the story about Proctor and Gamble some years back.

  I somehow remember something about that. Anyone care to elaboate what it was about? My memory it sketchy on this, but I seem to remember it having to do with a "Satanic" symbol used in thier logo or something.

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  The Internet: A greater threat to the WTS than we ever dreamed

  by Elsewhere in

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  change "politician" to "watchtower leadership" and "voter" to "jehover's witness".

  http://reuters.myway.com/article/20061004/2006-10-04t005304z_01_l03419567_rtridst_0_news-google-politicians-dc.html.

  google boss warns politicians about internet power.

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  The idea of making the use of internet a disfellowshipping offense will have a reverse effect on a vast number. "What are they hiding?

  That cannot work for at least two reasons. The first of which, it would IMPOSSIBLE for the WT to directly make internet usage a disfellowshipping offense, because there is nothing "scriptually" wrong with using information sources such as the internet, in itself. They could indirectly tie it to something along the lines of "causing divisions", "apostacy", etc, but even then, WHERE a person went on the internet would be the issue, not the fact that they logged on in the first place. Outside of clearly drawing the lines of what is considered OK, and what isn't, it could never be enforced. The WT does not have the ablility to police the situation like that.

  Secondly, IF somehow they DID manage to get past reason #1, anyone in the organization who is not labotamized would have enough presence of mind, (hopefully), to seriously question HOW the WT could even suggest such a thing, and the org could only expect people to leave in droves on that basis.

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  Let's just get something straight about 1975.

  by WTFBBQPWNT in

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  nobody ever said that the end was coming in 1975.. all the hype about this date that has continued all the way down through today came from a talk in the early 70's by fred franz.

  in this talk, franz pointed out the significance of the 7 creative days and how they correspond with 1,000-year time intervals.. he then said, "could the end come in 1975?

  there's so much wrong with jehovah's witnesses from their rigid legalism to their faux love, but let's call a spade a spade about the 1975 thing..

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  WTF, like yourself, I was not "there" in 1975. My family came into the org around 1978 or so, (I was 5). During the next 13 years, I never heard anything regarding 1975. A good older friend of mine, (at the time, kinda like a second father), told me about the whole 1975 debacle around 1990 or 91. I found it very hard to believe, even though, I knew he was a very reliable source. I did some research, and found some of the articles mentioned here, (although I wish I found the May '74 KM then). Unfortunately, I decided to write it off as a misundrstanding on the r&f's part, as a good jw.

  That said, what never sat right with me about the whole thing, was the fact that I never even heard about this for my first 13 years in the org. With 1978 so close to 1975, I would have thought my family would have heard something about this...NOTHING. This was conspicuous by its absence. It was as if, this was such a dark period in the organization's history, that no one dare mention it. Most jws who have come into the org since then, know little or nothing about 1975. The whole thing seemed rather dishonest in nature. This drew a red flag with me years ago, and was the first real "doubt" about the organization that I had, although it would take almost 15 years for me to finally leave.

  This particular subject is of special interest to me, as I see it as a very good warning example for anyone contemplating joining the jws. IF they know the facts about '75, most who would otherwise join, won't.

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  Let's just get something straight about 1975.

  by WTFBBQPWNT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  nobody ever said that the end was coming in 1975.. all the hype about this date that has continued all the way down through today came from a talk in the early 70's by fred franz.

  in this talk, franz pointed out the significance of the 7 creative days and how they correspond with 1,000-year time intervals.. he then said, "could the end come in 1975?

  there's so much wrong with jehovah's witnesses from their rigid legalism to their faux love, but let's call a spade a spade about the 1975 thing..

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  done4good

  Face it Birdy, claiming the WT never said that the system would end in 1975 is being intellectually dishonest. True, those WORDS may not have been said, but all of the implication, innuendo, and encouragement of the r&f to think that way was accepted by the WT. Then when it failed to happen, they went and put the blame on the same r&f for thinking that way. Very, very wrong.

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  Ray Franz CoC, was he in denial? Just asking.

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was reading a little coc last night where ray f. disusses the witch hunt at bethel that resulted in all the oustings.

  as i read the doctrines that he questioned, (not judging him right or wrong), i noticed that he was questioning some of the fundamental beliefs of the wt.

  ie: gov.

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  done4good

  His "cause" was to collect minions that would satisfy that craving for power that he could no longer have quenched by being on the GB.

  You know, I'm not one to like to rally around someone who writes a book or two, but my PERSONAL dealing with Ray Franz, (via email, letters etc), confirms he is an upstanding guy. Your "opinon" on Franz is utterly false.

  Besides, why don't you get a handle I can actually remember when I go to type a reply.

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