Ok, if someone sends DA letter to his elders, that is a confidential
thing...personal information. But what do the elders do? They announce
this personal and confidential information to the whole congregation. Is
that legal? I mean if you write in your DA letter, that you dont want them
to reveal this information to anyone, could you sue them, if they do?
izobcenec
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Is it legal to announce DA?
by izobcenec inok, if someone sends da letter to his elders, that is a confidential.
thing...personal information.
but what do the elders do?
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What was Fullfilled in 1975?
by refiners fire inas we all know, the lord jehovah causes expectation to arise regarding certain dates.
these expectations have usually resulted in the members of the organization, erroneously, expecting the apocalypse to arrive on those dates.
1914 was such a year.
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Thats easy...6000 yrs of human existance ended in 1975, remember?
That was never droped, they just dont mention it anymore...but people
still believe...we dont know, when eve was created, you know...what
if god gave eve to adam on his 30th birthday? well that would mean, that
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WT Statistics
by AlanB indoes anyone out there have a good set of raw data re wt statistics.
just started reading ray's book and believe some of the maths behind his calculations regarding people leaving the org are flawed, not that the reasoning is flawed, just an error in the method.. i would like to re run the calculation.
also i'm a bit of a stat junky and would like to look at the real trends.
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Year Peak pub. Average pub. Baptized Pioneers Congr. Hours Return visits Studies Memorial att. Partakers 1879 1880 1881 100 1882 1883 1884 1885 300 1886 1887 1888 1889 1890 400 1891 4 000 1892 1893 1894 1895 1896 1897 1898 1899 339 2 501 1900 1901 1902 1903 1904 1905 1906 1907 1908 21 274 1909 1910 1911 1912 1913 1914 1 200 1915 15 430 1916 1917 11 421 461 813 21 274 1918 7 000 3 868 591 19 116 1919 507 17 961 1920 8 052 350 1921 1922 32 661 1923 42 000 1924 65 105 1925 1 435 90 434 1926 89 278 1927 1928 44 080 23 988 1 883 2 866 164 17 380 1929 1930 2 897 1931 1932 1933 58 804 1934 1935 56 153 73 469 4 655 63 146 52 465 1936 1937 1938 59 047 47 143 4 112 3 633 10 572 086 480 092 69 345 36 732 1939 71 509 61 589 15 157 906 1 742 264 77 164 29 385 1940 95 327 5 251 5 130 20 675 194 2 964 336 96 613 27 620 1941 106 137 22 770 622 4 160 999 98 076 23 989 1942 115 240 106 000 28 030 048 6 707 204 12 404 140 450 24 035 1943 126 329 109 794 6 310 28 726 524 6 462 041 66 493 154 367 23 577 1944 128 976 31 458 684 7 769 144 170 458 22 684 1945 141 606 127 478 6 721 7 218 34 768 684 8 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049 1 075 163 15 628 1958 798 326 717 088 62 666 23 772 17 878 110 390 944 36 398 024 508 320 1 171 789 15 037 1959 871 737 803 482 86 345 28 688 19 982 126 317 120 44 240 216 606 075 1 283 603 14 511 1960 916 332 851 378 69 027 30 584 21 008 131 662 688 44 440 976 640 458 1 519 821 13 911 1961 956 169 884 587 29 844 21 557 132 695 536 45 004 264 622 665 1 553 909 13 284 1962 989 192 920 920 69 649 33 560 22 166 142 046 672 48 316 580 654 210 1 639 681 12 714 1963 1 040 836 956 648 62 798 38 573 22 761 151 251 248 51 994 916 702 470 1 693 752 11 292 1964 1 075 523 1 001 870 68 236 42 938 23 483 162 808 320 55 954 268 741 367 1 809 476 11 953 1965 1 109 806 1 034 268 64 393 47 853 24 158 171 247 648 59 165 476 770 595 1 933 089 11 550 1966 1 118 665 1 058 675 58 904 47 092 24 910 170 664 896 60 902 000 802 473 1 971 107 11 179 1967 1 160 604 1 094 280 74 981 53 764 25 206 183 995 184 66 703 208 867 009 2 195 612 10 981 1968 1 221 504 1 155 826 82 842 63 871 25 409 208 666 768 89 903 576 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Why no JW convention coverage in the Ukraine?
by brianhenke ini've been looking around the web and i have hardly seen any coverage of the international convention in kiev (and satellite conventions throughout the ukraine) this past weekend.
has anyone in here seen anything?
brian
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No, but i have been looking for coverage of Budapest international conventions...if any1 knows anything, please let me know...
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questions about 1975 and other dates
by Leander inmy wife and i were discussing the date of 1975 earlier this week and she basically was of the opinion that the individuals who thought the end was coming in that year came up with the date based on their incorrect assesment of published information.
i replied that would it make sense for thousands of people across the continent to sell their homes and all of their valued possesions if they really had the slightest doubt that armageddon was not coming in 1975. she did'nt have an answer for that retort but still she insisted that somehow these people must have made a mistake in their judgement.
so for those of you who may have lived through the 1975 fiasco and those who have in-depth knowledge about the events that took place in that year maybe you can answer a few questions for me.. how widespread was the belief that 1975 was the year of armageddon?
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Actually there was some kind of an apology...
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In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting—in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man’s existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.
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In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: “If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.” In saying “anyone,” The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.
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Electronic Frontier Foundation's suggestions for BOE letters
by Jourles inwell everyone, here is the scoop with the boe letters ---.
i spoke with henry s., paralegal with the electronic frontier foundation(eff), about the hosting of the boe letters.
he feels that if it went to court, i could win this under fair use.
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izobcenec
I think you should contact Bill Bowen or Kent Steinhaug...maybe they can host them and Bill already has an attorney...not sure about Kent though...but he is sure active again with WT Observer and thats great.
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Interesting quote about child abuse from WT
by izobcenec ini found this in wt 1/1, p. 24. .
the watchtower and awake!timely journals of truth.
14social issues.
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I found this in WT 1/1, p. 24
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Watchtower and Awake!—Timely Journals of Truth14
Social issues. The Bible foretold that in “the last days” men would be “lovers of themselves, . . . having no natural affection, . . . without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness.” (2 Timothy 3:1-3) Therefore, it should not surprise us that child abuse is practiced on a large scale today. This subject was given frank treatment in the article “Help for the Victims of Incest” in The Watchtower of October 1, 1983. Eight years later, the cover series “Healing the Wounds of Child Abuse” in the October 8, 1991, Awake! was carefully prepared to provide understanding and hope for victims as well as to enlighten others so that they can offer helpful assistance. This series of articles elicited the greatest reader response in the history of our journals. One reader wrote: “The greatest impact on my recovery has been the comforting thoughts and Scriptural references in these articles. To know that Jehovah did not think any less of me was an overwhelming relief. To know that I was not alone was equally comforting.”
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Watchtower Lawyers -- How many?
by VM44 inthis has been brought up before, but i am going to ask it again....just how many lawyers does the watchtower have?
how many have they sent to law school?
and, why do they need so many lawyers?
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I have heard, there are 13 JW lawyers in Brooklyn.
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Alles Gute zum dein Geburtstag!
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Watchtower Legal's letter to Dirtclod.com (faxed image)
by Jourles ini am starting a new thread so folks do not have to search through several pages of posts to find this image.
the original thread was here.
i received the following fax this morning from my old isp(dirtclod.com was coincidentally moved the same day i received notice regarding this copyright infringement for bandwidth purposes) and was seven pages in length.
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The best way to fight that kind of "censorship" is inflation
of those letters...They should be put on many webpages,
maybe they will close one down but ten more will rise...