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  Why does being right = being arrogant?

  by AlmostAtheist in

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  what is it about a person's believing they are "right" that leads them to being arrogant?

  you've surely noticed that the more sure a person is that he's right, the more likely he is to treat those that disagree with him with disrespect.

  it's hard to see how a person can disagree with something that you know is right.

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  p.s. "Ignorant" comes from the word "ignore"...choosing not to know.
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  Why does being right = being arrogant?

  by AlmostAtheist in

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  what is it about a person's believing they are "right" that leads them to being arrogant?

  you've surely noticed that the more sure a person is that he's right, the more likely he is to treat those that disagree with him with disrespect.

  it's hard to see how a person can disagree with something that you know is right.

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  AA~

  Ah yes...the sarcasm! Now I get you.....(Have you been listening in on the conversations between my wife and I?) :)

  Her: "Well you're trying to be just too logical".

  Me: "Yea, that's something i'm going to have to work on".

  Sarcasm = arrogance. GYMBOB
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  Why does being right = being arrogant?

  by AlmostAtheist in

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  what is it about a person's believing they are "right" that leads them to being arrogant?

  you've surely noticed that the more sure a person is that he's right, the more likely he is to treat those that disagree with him with disrespect.

  it's hard to see how a person can disagree with something that you know is right.

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  AA~

  I'm not sure where being right = being arrogant. (?) You can't successfully win a argument with someone who's right, can you? If you try, they can come off as being arrogant, when they are really just correct in their position.

  My wife and I had a similar talk about this the other day....She sometimes accuse each other of being arrogant.

  I was raised a dub, now i'm atheist. She was raised Lutheran but doesn't know what to believe anymore about a god. She has a hard time talking about it because she doesn't want to give up on the "idea" of a god out there somewhere who cares about us, but has no actual reason to believe that way. On the other hand, I don't believe in a god, but sometimes hope that there really is one because I have tried to be a good person my whole life and believe that I would be judged someday to be a good man, but don't care for the idea of a god or anyone, "judging" my life someday, if that ever would happen!

  Like I posted on another thead....if there is a after-life, i'll let it take care of itself. GYMBOB
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  Sincere Question to Anyone who Believes in God

  by Big Tex in

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  lately it's occurred to me that one day i will die.

  being raised in a cult that teaches you, you will live forever without dying will warp perspectives.

  and i've been working hard on coming to terms with that realization, and it's becoming more and more okay.

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  Tex~

  I think people have been searching for the answers you're looking for ever since man has been able to look for answers. Those answers have not been found yet, and nobody knows. Some hope, some wish one way or another, but nobody knows.

  So, given that as the bottom line...I just try to treat people like I like to be treated, and be really nice to everyone and let the "afterlife" take care of itself. Really, what else is there that you can do? If that doesn't get me a spot on the next bus that comes along after this ride, then what else are you going to do?

  "Sorry God, I just tried to be really nice to everyone, how was I suppose to know what else to do, and that the only true religion was __________?" (Fill in the blank) GYMBOB
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  Appreciating Neighbors never an option as JW

  by restrangled in

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  i just had a wonderful conversation with one of my neighbors who's husband is fighting prostate cancer.. it is a great feeling to connect with those who live near by or next to you, and find ways to support each other, finding laughter and solace.. this was never really allowed with jws.

  we were always cold to our neighbors unless preaching work could be done.. my parents had an odd situation in that their next door neighbor lost a son to an accidental gun shooting.

  the police were aware of my brother's death many years previously and called on my mother to comfort her next door neighbor, actually asking her to be there when they announced her son was dead at age 12.. my mom had no problem with that but since they had little to no social contact over 10 years it was difficult and probably felt icy.. how sad!.

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  We had great neighbors for years when I was a dub, they would invite us over for barbeques and swim but we would always make up some lie about how busy we were and won't be able to make it.....can't be sociable with non-believers ya' know....

  Now I visit with all my neighbors, invite them over and know all their names. GYMBOB
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  I have a talk!

  by Zico in

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  about 7 months ago i asked the school overseer to take me off the school, as i was 'busy with work exams' things have been good since then (well, sort of...) no talks for 7 months!

  but then, my wonderful father, decides to ask the school overseer to put me back on!

  he puts me back on!

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  Zico~

  You just have to add something in your talk that is way out-dated.....maybe something about the generation that saw the events of 1914 will still be alive to see the big A, and a quote from a old WT to back it up would be a nice touch! PLEASE?!
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  X-Wife Got Married Yesterday........Our Son is Shunned Today!

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my wife left me 5 years ago when i left the jehovah's witnesses.

  she got remarried saturday to one of "our" old jehovah's witness friends jay .

  jay's wife, judy died 6 months ago of cancer.

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  New Boy~

  Good to hear from you!

  Yea, those dubs are a crazy bunch. They love to screw-up weddings, funerals, etc. in the name of their religion....JUST BE GLAD WE HAVE OUR KIDS OUT!! GYMBOB
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  How do you guys know that standing firm won't work

  by dawg in

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  so, many of you have rightfully challenged my beliefs that standing firm and telling your families exactly what you feel about the wtbts won't work.... i submit that it doesn't work becasue we don't stand together!

  if all of us would stand firm say what we know to be true, do it publically, and not back down then i guarentee you there are many in the congs that want out of this crap and their just too scared to do anything becasue they don't want to lose their families.

  in my family there are many that call me privately and tell me they know the wt is a crock of shit but won't stand up against it!

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  Dawg~

  You're right, but some folks here are not in the same spot down the road as you are. It's circumstances that differ.

  I remember not long after I got out from the dubs, I wanted to call "60 Minutes", "20/20", etc. because of what I had learned. But, IMHO, I really don't think people out there care that much about JW's....only people like us. We know what JW's are really like, we've had our families torn apart and we want them back! So we need to try and talk to them, even when they won't talk to us. This is very hard to do. For me, it's like emotional suicide every time I try to call my family.

  Thru the internet we can get support from each other, and that's good. However, we're not going to bring down the borg, the structure is just too well set-up. And I honestly belief there will always be some die-hard witness whackos in this world. We chip away at it as best we can, but the weakness in the borg is it's own belief system.

  If we want them to respect our beliefs after we leave the borg, it requires that we show that same respect to them. Let them believe what they want so they don't feel we are challenging them. This takes some time, but they should then see how their belief system has failed them, and we (living a good life away from the witnesses)become the alternative choice. In recent years, look at how many of us have just....left.

  This is the way it was for me. But, in the last few years i've come to realize that no matter what you do or say, some people are never going to change because they have too much of their life invested in the borg, and that is really sad.

  Don't get me wrong Dawg...I love your style!
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  GOVERNING BODY member Carey Barber dies.

  by yesidid in

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  and that's all i know.. he was 101 and appointed as a governing body member in 1977.. .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/97874/1.ashx.

  yesidid.

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  i knew barber back in the 70s at bethel. he was a great story-teller. i remember one time he told us about witnessing to mahamud ali at his boxing training camp....he said he was pretty scared and didn't know what he'd gotten himself into, everybody wanted to throw barber out, but ali was very cool and actually protective to him and took some literature.

  his life was a waste, and he should have known better years ago and done something, like ray.

  sorry for the bad type, had surgery yesterday on my left arm. GYMBOB
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  I went to the Memorial.

  by RichieRich in

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  i'm just going to start at the beginning.. i was anticipating the memorial all day.

  i was nervous but excited, kind of like standing in line for a roller coaster.. ok. so erika gets ready at her house, and i get ready at mine.

  i'm wearing a black suit with a light green shirt, and a tie that had hues of green and yellow in it.

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  Richie

  I just read your post at the request of my husband. He is the ex JW I have never been a JW but I am affected daily by their actions. His parents have shunned him for years now. When he hurts it hurts me.

  I guess my need to post comes more from my experience as a mother more than anything. Your mother crys because no matter how screwed up her beliefs are she does love you. You just have to look at her as some one who is mentally ill or an alcoholic and just cant see think rationally. It much easier to forgive if you think of her like that. Your own heart can soften and your hurt maybe less if you view her that way. Just a thought

  I think this web site is awesone. You are all so supportive of each other. I for one am thankful you are here.

  Thanks everyone for someone who loves an exJW