Posts by DJ

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What's the worst sin that you knew a JW commited? Espec. Elders, Bethelites

by FreeofGuilt in

the po of my congregation was screwing another elders wife- i have more, but i wanna hear yours!

kristine

If Disfellowshipping Were Forcibly Banned

by AlanF in

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what do you think would happen to the watchtower society if disfellowshipping were forcibly banned by government decree?.

think about the implications for current jw leaders personally, for the doctrinal structure, for the power structure.. this is no mere theoretical possibility.. alanf

DJ

It would be a shame if they banned it. Df'ing is a favor, imo.

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The name of God

by ClassAvenger in

i have a friend who is a jehovah witness.

once we started talking about prayer, and i told him that we referred to god as 'lord', or 'god', or 'father', for reverence or respect, although we did not have prohibited to say jehovah.

he said that i was wrong, that it was necessary to state that the prayer was for jehovah and not any other god.

Hi CA,
I know what your friend is thinking because I was raised a jw. It is a very difficult process to be de-programmed from their false teachings. I am not surprised that he feels the need to come and go in your life. his main problem sadly, is that he cannot distinguish between God and the watchtower teachings. There needs to be a divorce between the two and he needs to pray for the holy spirit for his guidance. The jw teaching about the 144,000 is irroneous and he is unaware of that, therefore whatever they teach him.....he views it as coming from God himself! I would try to make him aware of some of the outrageous doctrinal flip flops that the governing body has taught. For instance, at one time did you know that they taught that if a married person engaged a homosexual relationship, it was NOT considered adultery and therefore the innocent spouse was not able to divorce? The same was true about beastiality!! They "got new light" and changed that though. There are many things like this and many people have been hurt by the false teachings because if you do not accept the "present light" then you are disfellowshipped and shunned. The present light turns into old light and new light and back and forth. They are forever tossed, never being able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Did you knoe that they teach that the "earthly class" (which your friend most likley is in) does not have Jesus as their mediator. Many witnesses do not even know that teaching. My mom didn't until I told her. They teach that the 144,000 are like the mediator and if they obey them then it is as if obeying Christ himself. The blood policy is full of hypocrisy as well..check out this site for some info. It is all accurate. www.ajwrb.org Another place for info is www.freeminds.org I wish you all the best. If you can get this friend to see that the governing body members of the watchtower society aka 144,000 are not speaking for God by showing him evidence of their lies ( only use their own books and magazines) then....you will be successful in helping him to divorce the watchtower from God. That is key. There is tons of info on the internet to be able to do this. It will take a lot of time and patience and love and be careful!! It will not be a pleasant ride for him until he is free in Christ. love, dj

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REASONING FROM THE SCRIPTURES,page 91

by badboy in

`on the coins of constantine the most frequent symbol is xp*;but this symbol is used without the surrounding circle, and with the 4 equals arms vertical and horizontal;and this was the symbol specially venerated as the`solar wheel'.

the non-christian pp 133-141.. * denotes a close represtention of the actual symbol.. r they actually saying that the symbol which i believe simply represtents the 1st 2 letter of christ r of pagan origin?.

this is serious,man!.

DJ

Thankyou for the links Tyler, I appreciate that. I 'll read them this week, hopefully! love, dj

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John 1:1 - A "Sacred Secret" Revealed

by AGuest in

may you all have peace!.

i had opportunity yesterday, to peruse the thread entitled, "john 1:1 - good information" and there were some very... ummmm... "intriguing" responses.

some were very close to what is true; others, pure speculation.

DJ

Oh, so this is where everyone has been>>!! Hi!

Listen up folks......the heavens and earth were made by the Word. He spoke it into existence. This is said throughout the bible. The Word was GOD the creator. He made it alone by himself. They are one. Doesn't make sense? How humbling.

I will be more than happy to supply all of the verses upon your request, if you want them. Give me a day or two to gather them all up though. There are many. Love you guys, dj

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The name of God

by ClassAvenger in

i have a friend who is a jehovah witness.

once we started talking about prayer, and i told him that we referred to god as 'lord', or 'god', or 'father', for reverence or respect, although we did not have prohibited to say jehovah.

he said that i was wrong, that it was necessary to state that the prayer was for jehovah and not any other god.

DJ

Oh my............you hit on the major hang up with witnesses. I believe that they are only fooling themselves because first of all the tetragrammaton in the bible which is YWYH has no consonants and the names Jehovah and Yahweh are basically guesses. Rev. has jah in it, which is like a nick-name but that still doesn't tell us how to pronounce the full name. Having said that, I wonder how they can guess at a pronunciation and then demand that we use it....?? In Acts it says that Jesus is the only named by which men can be saved. I think that the jw's put [other] there on their translation in order to make it seem as if we need another name..They do that alot, the like [other] in Colossians too. It changes the meaning and "other" is not found in the original Greek. They basically just added it because they feel the need to separate the Father and the Son because of their hate for the trinity. Also, the tetragram was not in the original Greek writings. IF.....some of the gospels were ever written in Hebrew...we don't have them. So, it would be a guess as well.

To the 1st question..."GOD is only a title--- That may be true but the apostles used GOD in their writings constantly. They didn't have a fear that some fake God would eavesdrop. God the Father is used very frequently. As a matter of fact, there is not one instance when Jesus prayed that he used the name Jehovah or Yahweh.... not once. He never prayed using a name. If it was that important then surely He would have prayed that way. He used Father and so do we, his children. The dubs are not considered Children of God, atleast I think that was the last "light" that I heard. They may change back and forth on this one. Naturally, it would follow that of they are not children then they would not use Father. I believe that only their 144,000 are considered the children of God. My opinion is that the jw's live in fear that if they pray to the Father or to God or to the Lord that the devil might answer. The jw's live in fear. In Romans, it says that we call out "abba" which means Father when we are given the holy spirit.

To the 2nd question--hallowed be thy name--- It is hard to answer stupid question isn't it? If Jesus meant for us to sanctify the name by pronouncing it when we pray.....He would have done so there!! He didn't. Jesus was asked to show the people how to pray. Again, why didn't He say it there?? He was teaching them how to pray. I guess the jw's know how to pray better than Jesus did. Name, in the bible means more than a pronunciation anyway. Name is his very being. You can call out a name all you want and still be misled as to what the gospel teaches which means that God hasn't given you of his spirit.

To the 3rd question....stating who the prayer is to--- again fear is the problem. Again, Jesus didn't feel the need to do that. Ask your friend to show you where in the bible....Jesus ever prayed or showed us to pray by using the any name. He never did.

To the 4th question....demons flee--- Demons were cast out using Jesus name in the NT. He may show you where Jesus says that many will come in my name and say "Lord didn't we prophecy and cast out demons in your name?" Then Jesus tells them..that he never knew them and they were workers of lawlessness. Those verses do not mean that demons aren't cast out by Jesus, he is condemning them for being unrepetant sinners. Ask your friend how it could mean that demons are not to be cast out by Jesus anymore.....then why do the jw's prophecy is His name?? You cannot have it both ways....but the jw's will twist all of the bible to suit them and they are masters at twisting. It is done very sublty and you need to be cautious.

There are may churches that use the name Jehovah. There even are songs in the hymn books using that name for the Father. If you ask a jw if those people in those churches pray, does God hear them?? They will say NO and tell you that they need "accurate Knowledge".(aka be a jw)...everything that your friend says is from a recording in his brain. He has answers drilled into him for every conceivable question. He is not able to think for himself anymore. He will fight you until you feel like you are going be sick. I don't know why you want to even go down this road with him. His mind is working overtime trying to convert you. Be careful and know your stuff or don't involve yourself at all. God bless. Don't cast out all of your pearls my friend. He will tear you up....just like the good book says.. they will. love, dj

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Al Pacino fans.....rent "The Recruit"

by RubyTuesday in

we rented this movie today and it was awesome!

it had so many abrupt twist and turns i think i have whiplash!

al pacino was a treat as usual and the new young actor (colin farrel) was exceptional.

DJ

Thanks Ruby......I'll check it out.love,dj

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Returning 20 years of JW books to KH need opinions

by SpunkyChick in

my mom and i have been cleaning out the basement and gathered over 20 years worth of jw books, magazines, tracts (some dating from the 1950's!).

we are playing with the idea to return the jw material in a box, with the words "we quit" and a xeroxed copy of the cover coc next sunday morning in front of the local kh.

does anyone have any better/more sarcastic ideas?

DJ

Thanks. You can PM me if you find them . I have been asking my mother for an interlinear for about 4 years. She won't get me one. I threw all of my books and mag's away seven years ago. I regret it now because I want to help my jw family to get out and they would never read CofC. I will happily mail you a donation.lol. Take Yeru's advice and check out e-bay and then donate the $ to charity. That is a kicker! I will happily contribute to your charitable fund..

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Just saying Hi

by Ozzygal in

jw
friends

i've been lurking for a while, and feeling a little guilty about being here.

you know, the ol' internet is evil thing.

it's been a big topic down our way recently.

DJ

There is no reason not to make sure of all things. If there was nothing to hide, there would be nothing to fear. WELCOME! love, dj

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There is No Conclusion.

by Blueblades in

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what has concluded that we might conclude in regard to it?

DJ

Blue......what've you been smokin?