The text is there, just not the reference to it in the particular search window kw13 used.
Posts by dmouse
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14THERE ARE differences between 2003 WBTCD and 2005 WBTCD
by KW13 inright here is a report generated on the differences between 2003 cd and 2005 cd from my computer.
i haven't yet looked to see if the changes are visible changes of text or just innocent changes that somehow couldn't be helped.
either way a lot of files that are meant to be the same do look different.. check this report... .
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THERE ARE differences between 2003 WBTCD and 2005 WBTCD
by KW13 inright here is a report generated on the differences between 2003 cd and 2005 cd from my computer.
i haven't yet looked to see if the changes are visible changes of text or just innocent changes that somehow couldn't be helped.
either way a lot of files that are meant to be the same do look different.. check this report... .
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dmouse
Looking at your images and then doing the same comparison with my WTLIB copies, there is a 1914 reference missing from the 2005 version that was in the 2003 version.
The missing reference is:
look out for 1914: jv 60
'jv' is the book 'Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom'. Published in 1993.
The reference says, in part:
'Meanwhile, what about October 1914? For decades Russell and his associates had been proclaiming that the Gentile Times would end in 1914. Expectations were high. C. T. Russell had been critical of those who had set various dates for the Lord’s return, such as William Miller and some Second Adventist groups. Yet, from the time of his early association with Nelson Barbour, he was convinced that there was an accurate chronology, based on the Bible, and that it pointed to 1914 as the end of the Gentile Times.'
I don't know if it's important or not?
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What scares you? [Ozzie's Weekend Poll #157]
by ozziepost inday all!
owyergoin?
s your weekend going?
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dmouse
My worst fear is having one of my kids die.
My grandma once told me, 'you don't know grief until you've lost a child'.
Other than that it's...Zulus, thousands of 'em! No, wait, heights are bad too.
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Anyone got any good ideas on starting a business on the internet?
by ballistic inanyone got any good ideas on starting a business on the internet?.
i've been doing a bit of buying and selling on ebay and seeing some of the zany ideas people have got.. i'll have a lot of free time soon as i'm being made redundant.
i'm not worried about that as i'll easily get another job,.
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dmouse
Moshe's idea...is being sold on Ebay for 99p!
Here it is for free:
http://www.miracle-superfoods.com/camera
Don't say I never give you nuffing.
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Movie Qoutes
by DigitalFokus inone at a time.
guess the qoute above you and give one for the next person.
"nobody makes me bleed my own blood, nobody!
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dmouse
Blade Runner
(Top film!)
'Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?'
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Movie Qoutes
by DigitalFokus inone at a time.
guess the qoute above you and give one for the next person.
"nobody makes me bleed my own blood, nobody!
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dmouse
The Man Who Would Be King?
'Oh stop it, mother. You'll give yourself a nose bleed...'
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Post A Random Thought - (Fluff Alert)
by jeanniebeanz in.
post whatever happened to "pop into your head" when you decided to open this thread.. j.
*i wonder if there are any more pepsi's in the fridge?
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dmouse
Why doesn't cheese have any flavour or 'bite' anymore?
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Symbolic generation. Does it extend batting time for WTBTS?
by Spectrum inbefore coming on this forum i didn't know that the jws had changed the generation definition from literal to symbolic and i obviously predicted that this religion will be finished when that last 1914 codger dies.
when i found out that they had changed their definition i thought, bloody hell this religion is going to go on forever.
then i thought that no, they are going to fade out, then i settled on, they are going to survive just like the catholics and orthodox.
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dmouse
Questions From Readers June 1st 1997:
“The Watchtower” of November 1, 1995, focused on what Jesus said about “this generation,” as we read at Matthew 24:34. Does this mean that there is some question about whether God’s Kingdom was set up in heaven in 1914?
That discussion in The Watchtower offered no change at all in our fundamental teaching about 1914. Jesus set out the sign to mark his presence in Kingdom power. We have ample evidence that this sign has been in course of fulfillment since 1914. The facts about wars, famines, plagues, earthquakes, and other evidences bear out that since 1914, Jesus has been active as King of God’s Kingdom. This indicates that since then we have been in the conclusion of the system of things.
What, then, was The Watchtower clarifying? Well, the key was the sense in which Jesus used the word “generation” at Matthew 24:34. That passage reads: “Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.” What did Jesus mean by “generation,” both in his day and in ours?
Many scriptures confirm that Jesus did not use “generation” with regard to some small or distinct group, meaning only the Jewish leaders or only his loyal disciples. Rather, he used “generation” in condemning the masses of Jews who rejected him. Happily, though, individuals could do what the apostle Peter urged on the day of Pentecost, repent and “get saved from this crooked generation.”—Acts 2:40.
In that statement, Peter was clearly not being precise as to any fixed age or length of time, nor was he tying the “generation” to any certain date. He did not say that people should get saved from the generation that was born in the same year Jesus was or the generation that was born in 29 C.E. Peter was speaking about the unbelieving Jews of that period—some perhaps being rather young, others being older—who had been exposed to Jesus’ teaching, had seen or heard of his miracles, and had not accepted him as Messiah.
That evidently is how Peter understood Jesus’ use of “generation” when he and three other apostles were with Jesus on the Mount of Olives. According to Jesus’ prophetic statement, Jews of that period—basically, Jesus’ contemporaries—were going to experience or hear of wars, earthquakes, famines, and other evidences that the end of the Jewish system was near. In fact, that generation did not pass before the end came in 70 C.E.—Matthew 24:3-14, 34.
It must be acknowledged that we have not always taken Jesus’ words in that sense. There is a tendency for imperfect humans to want to be specific about the date when the end will come. Recall that even the apostles sought more specifics, asking: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?”—Acts 1:6.
With similar sincere intentions, God’s servants in modern times have tried to derive from what Jesus said about “generation” some clear time element calculated from 1914. For instance, one line of reasoning has been that a generation can be 70 or 80 years, made up of people old enough to grasp the significance of the first world war and other developments; thus we can calculate more or less how near the end is.
However well-meaning such thinking was, did it comply with the advice Jesus went on to give? Jesus said: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. . . . Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.”—Matthew 24:36-42.
So the recent information in The Watchtower about “this generation” did not change our understanding of what occurred in 1914. But it did give us a clearer grasp of Jesus’ use of the term “generation,” helping us to see that his usage was no basis for calculating—counting from 1914—how close to the end we are.
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*** Awake! masthead from March 1988 until October 22 1995 ***
Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away.
Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world that is about to replace the present wicked, lawless system of things.
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Symbolic generation. Does it extend batting time for WTBTS?
by Spectrum inbefore coming on this forum i didn't know that the jws had changed the generation definition from literal to symbolic and i obviously predicted that this religion will be finished when that last 1914 codger dies.
when i found out that they had changed their definition i thought, bloody hell this religion is going to go on forever.
then i thought that no, they are going to fade out, then i settled on, they are going to survive just like the catholics and orthodox.
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dmouse
Apollyon:
Watchtower November 1st 1995:"Eager to see the end of this evil system, Jehovah's people have at times speculated about the time when the "great tribulation" would break out, even tying this to calculations of what is the lifetime of a generation since 1914. However, we bring a heart of wisdom in," not by speculating about how many years or days makeup a generation, but by thinking about how we "count our days" in bringing joyful praise to Jehovah." "Therefore, in the final fulfillment of Jesus prophecy today, this generation apparently refers to the peoples of earth who see the sign of Christs presence but fail to mend their ways."
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The end is not close..................so prove it !
by vitty inim fading, and some of my family now realize we arent going to meetings.
everytime they phone or speak to me me, they keep reminding ( threatning) that the end is so close, dont give up now.. i just dont know how to respond, i know so much, but dont want to go into the un stuff yet ( dont want to sound apostate just yet) how can i say i dont believe the end is close !
that armageddon isnt iminent, what scripture can i use to back it up.
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dmouse
I recommend the book 'Sign of the last days - When?' by Carl. O. Jonsson
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0914675095/103-7030438-2704614?v=glance&n=283155
That book completely destroys any notion that the so-called signs are especially prevelent today.
Also, this scripture is good: Luke 21:8 where Jesus warns his followers not to listen to people who say 'the due time has approached.'
Look out that you are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying 'I am he,' and 'The due time has approached.' Do not go after them.
Actually, if you read through Matt 24 carefully, Jesus is saying that wars, earthquakes etc are NOT a sign of the end!!! '... these things must take place, but the end is not yet.'
Otherwise, what's the point of Jesus saying 'the end' is coming like a thief in the night? And no one knows the day or the hour? All the scriptures show that the timing of 'the end' will come as a complete surprise to EVERYONE.