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  Disfellowshipping- Pros and Cons

  by Vitameatavegamin in

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  hello friends,.

  since i have been a member of this forum since july, i have seen alot of posts by df'd or posts about disfellowshipping.

  i just thought i would add my thoughts on the matter, for whatever it is worth.

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  dmouse

  Disfellowshipping is a barbaric practice used as a threat to control the rank and file JWs. Sometimes a hapless person is made an example of just to reinforce the fear.
  The policy is totally inconsistant. I have seen brothers DF'd for virtually nothing and others get away with adultery.

  In general, it depends if your face fits. If you are popular with the elders you can get away with much more than if you are on the fringe.
  Some congregations are DF (trigger) happy while others go out of their way to avoid it.
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  Is Ray Franz on the net?

  by dmouse in

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  i wonder if ray has a computer and is on the net.

  wouldn't it be cool if he was a lurker on this site?

  wouldn't it be even cooler if he posted and we could have a chat with him?.

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  That's a shame, Farkel. It seems odd that someone in his position who has authored one of the most informative books ever written about the inner workings of the GB would be shy of dialogue about JW doctrine.
  Perhaps he is worried about the inevitable hero worship which might ensue should he make an appearance?
  I just think he is a nice bloke and would like to chat with him.
  Dean.
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  Is Ray Franz on the net?

  by dmouse in

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  i wonder if ray has a computer and is on the net.

  wouldn't it be cool if he was a lurker on this site?

  wouldn't it be even cooler if he posted and we could have a chat with him?.

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  I wonder if Ray has a computer and is on the net. Wouldn't it be cool if he was a lurker on this site? Wouldn't it be even cooler if he posted and we could have a chat with him?

  Dean.
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  JW Jokes, If easily offended DO NOT OPEN THREAD!!

  by Brutus in

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  what do you get if you cross a jehovah's witness with an agnostic?

  someone who calls at your door, but doesn't really know why.

  feel free to add others!

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  dmouse

  (Advanced warning – potentially offensive language used in this adaptation of my favourite joke)

  A young zealous JW was invited out by his boss for a game of golf. The JW wasn’t very happy about spending leisure time with a worldly person instead of being out on field service but he reasoned that an opportunity might arise to witness to him.

  The JW and his boss began the round of golf and immediately the boss made a terrible shot. ‘SHIT!’ he shouted. The JW winced but said nothing.
  At the second hole the boss made another mistake. ‘Oh BOLLOCKS!’ he cried.
  The young JW could not stand such offensive language and told his boss that God did not like such abusive speech.
  The boss thought this was a bit sanctimonious but being an understanding kind of fellow he apologised.

  However, on the next shot the boss missed an easy putt.
  ‘Dammit, missed the bastard!’ he shouted.

  The JW was incensed. ‘Really, if you keep using language like that, God will surely punish you!’ ‘OK, OK,’ said the boss.

  But on the last crucial shot the boss missed by a mile. ‘Fuck me!’ cried the boss.

  ‘You are an evil man who God will punish!’ Cried the JW.

  Just then, a great flash of lightening came out of the sky and burned the boss to a smoking cinder.

  ‘See! See! I told you!’ exulted the zealous JW.

  But a deep voice boomed out of heaven:

  ‘DAMMIT! MISSED THE BASTARD!’
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  The naive JW and the naive apostate.

  by dmouse in

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  im sure you have heard comments like these from naive jws:.

  the society never said that armageddon would come in 1975, it was just a few brothers who went over the top.

  (so you dont remember the watchtower article why are you looking forward to 1975?

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  I agree that exposing harmful policies is good, and brings about much needed reform. I wasn't for a minute suggesting cutting back on that.
  I was just making the comment that some 'apostates' (a label that has no power except in the minds of the JW) get over excited with the possible impact these might have on the Society. That is naive.

  Voltaire - I agree with your comments and your personal note, after the 'I'm still in' bit, applies to me also.

  UK Rector - I don't know specifically who said that, but we have all seen such comments if we have read this board for a while. I agree that apostate is an unfair and perjorative term, perhaps I should have said ExJW instead?

  lisaBObeesa - Good points, but we ARE one step ahead of the Society. It's the poor rank and file JW who hasn't a clue what's really going on. If you are smaller than your enemy, you have the advantage of speed.

  Mulan - more good points. I have buckets of stuff printed out because in my early days as a niave ExJW I thought if only people would read it they would open their eyes. But you are right, they will NOT read anything that upsets their delicate little world.

  joelbear - Do you think the society will change the 1914 doctine that soon? I don't know, it seems a lot of work to do in just 12 years, and they have only just untagged the 'generation' from it. We shall see. Peace to you too.
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  She knows they're wrong, but she doesn't care . .

  by indireneed in

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  i posted some questions a while ago about my wife, and now i'm lost.

  i put together a 200 page exposition on how the governing body are false witnesses using only watchtower literature (scans and the cd) and showing how they claim to be the salvation and that people shouldn't think for themselves, showed it to my wife, and she simply told me that she knew all those things and that if she could she would divorce me.

  it's all in the bible.. the weird thing is though, the next morning, she pretended like things are fine.

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  My wife is exactly the same, except she doesn't want a divorce.
  We have agreed to disagree and left it at that. I would say, if you want to keep your marraige together, is just to accept that she can't live without the crutch of religion and leave it at that. I once tried to persuade my wife that it wasn't the 'truth' and she started to cry, saying 'please don't take away my faith'. I believe the things I was saying were getting through the cult conditioning but suddenly I thought to myself 'what right have I got to destroy another's faith?'
  My own faith died - and it was the most awful, most depressing experience of my life. Why would I want to do that to another human being?
  As for why people cling to beliefs which are obviously not true I found this article very enlightening:

  http://www.csicop.org/si/2000-11/beliefs.html
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  The naive JW and the naive apostate.

  by dmouse in

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  im sure you have heard comments like these from naive jws:.

  the society never said that armageddon would come in 1975, it was just a few brothers who went over the top.

  (so you dont remember the watchtower article why are you looking forward to 1975?

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  dmouse

  I’m sure you have heard comments like these from naïve JWs:

  ‘The Society never said that Armageddon would come in 1975, it was just a few brothers who went over the top.’ (So you don’t remember the Watchtower article ‘Why are you looking forward to 1975?’ then?)

  ‘Having a blood transfusion after a massive blood loss will do you no good since blood doesn’t transport oxygen until 24 hours after it has been transfused anyway.’ (Not true, blood transports oxygen as soon as it is transfused)

  ‘Our growth is a sign of God’s blessing, it must be the Truth.’ (What about other religions who are growing faster, like the Mormons and Scientologists?)

  ‘Our decline in numbers is the foretold ‘cooling off’, and the result of Satan’s attacks, why would Satan attack a false religion? We must have the truth.’ (Seems to be a case of heads I win tails you lose, people attack the Moonies but it doesn’t mean they have the truth either).

  ‘Jehovah’s Witnesses are the only religion to preach the good news door to door.’ (Not true, lots of Christian groups do this, even the Mormons. It also depends on what you mean by ‘good news’ I agree that JWs are the only religion that preach the JW religion from door to door, but that’s not saying much is it?)

  I was having a conversation with a JW last week and she said ‘the Society has a lot of enemies, if they ever said anything untrue they would be attacked straight away.’ (LOL)

  She was not the slightest bit fazed when I informed her that there are reams of information which show that the Society had indeed lied but she wasn’t allowed to read it. Not to mention that 99.9 percent of people on earth don’t give a toss what JWs have to say anyway.

  To be fair, there is also the counterpart, the naïve apostate, who says that the internet/paedophile issue/problem x is going to bring the Society crashing down in flames. I’ve been around long enough to know that the GB makes Houdini look like a one legged mouse in a cat’s home. The religion known as Jehovah’s Witnesses will be around for a long time, though it will eventually morph into a more normal mainstream religion (in 50 – 100 years). I think that the numbers will stabilise at around 7 million with no appreciable movement either way unless they do something really stupid (like refuse to abandon the 1914 doctrine, think how stupid THAT will sound in 2064)

  Can you add to this list, what things have naïve JWs or apostates said to you?
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  UK Posters: C'mon Gimme a Smiley :)

  by philo in

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  hello britains .

  i am trying to get as many uk posters to sign in.

  so post up please, whether you love the queen's corgis or think they should be nationalised!.

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  dmouse

  Ok. Ok. I'm here.
  Don't post much nowadays, 'cus I've said pretty much what I want to say already. But I do read this board quite a lot.

  I live in Leicester (East Midlands). Hey! any get-togethers planned for the midlands anytime soon?

  PS. Did you see the father and son fishing in the latest Watchtower (Oct 1st, page 10)... I thought fishing was a no-no?

  Dean.
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  Ex-JW atheists

  by Vienna in

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  i know there are lots of atheists on the board, so i'm curious what attracted you to becoming a jw in the beginning.

  personally, i feel a bond with all ex-jws (and to those of you doubting) since we have gone through the same things.

  so my question is not being sarastic, but i'm curious as to why you are where you are.

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  dmouse

  As a JW, God was so real, He WAS there. I talked to Him, and He answered.
  Then, my eyes were opened and God disappeared in a puff of logic. JW beliefs are obviously untrue…the evidence is irrefutable.

  Where are You? It is suddenly cold and dark. I am confused. There is no guidance I can trust…men give me their opinions…lies!

  I was going to live forever! All the problems in the world were going to be solved.
  Then, suddenly, nothing. It was all an illusion. I am going to die. Shit.
  Worse…people are going to continue to suffer…no escape…no release except death. Oh hell. I look on in mounting empathy, I cannot bear it. God is not there! Those poor souls! I can do nothing to alleviate their pain. The suffering I perceive occurring in the human race in my extremely limited human form is so overwhelming that I suffer a nervous breakdown.
  I cry myself to sleep night after night.

  Where are You?

  I am naked, in pain, crying. I cry out once more…

  Where are You?

  But there is nothing…only the screams of millions of suffering souls in my head.
  Believers…of all faiths…they try to tell me…but their words are empty. They believe, as I used to. But ask them to give proof, evidence, the merest hint that God exists and all they offer is human reasoning for His silence.

  For that is the one single thing that destroys faith…the silence of God.

  Where are You?

  The bible…human writings. Interpret it how you will, every thought a human can conceive is in there. Whatever you want to believe, there is a scripture to support it.

  Another child dies for want of food. Another person dies in agony from disease. Another parent suffers the immeasurable grief of losing a child. Another…another…another…another. More suffering in one day than a human can comprehend, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, century after century, millennium after millennium…oh God please...it is more than I can bear.

  Where are You? (Only Silence)

  Please, God, help me. I cannot stand being alone. I need You…

  Who would CHOSE to be like this? With no hope?

  Please…where are You…
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  Silentlambs and 25 July

  by Yerusalyim in

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  sl,.

  can we still look forward to the details of the story on 25 july?

  if not, then when, also, anymore word on what the "what do they have in common" post.. yeru.

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  dmouse

  Damn! I'm going on holiday for two weeks on the 28th. I'm going to miss a lot of the fun!