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  Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?

  by Christ Alone in

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  i just wanted to take a survey.

  let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.

  just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".

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  LisaRose

  I just read a funny quote

  If there is a God, his plan is very similar to someone not having a plan - Eddie Izzard
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  MY babies were spayed today

  by wha happened? in

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  i don't have children, and my wife and i decided not to have any, so we have kittens.

  we rescued some kittens and they were in pretty bad shape when they came home.

  thought one might not make it.

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  Our children are grown, so we have a fur child too. Our previous cat passed away of old age last year, so we were adopted by Lizzie in June from the shelter. She is very energetic, and she is quite fond of this one toy, a stick with a string that has feathers on the end. She drags this thing all over the with her and brings it to us to let us know she wants to play. She plays with it so much she wears it out and we have to keep buying new ones. She will also will find things and bring them to us, like the a ball of string, the other end being on the other side of the house and up the stairs, or my husbands expensive silk tie. She is also good at the sneak attack, hiding out under the bed and grabbing our ankles. As much as she drives us crazy, she is also very loving , I dont know what I would do without her
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  Happiness: How to Find It - A new JW novel. Read it for free!

  by donuthole in

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  hello to the vast apostate army!

  i have exciting news to share.

  my new romance novel debuts today on curiosity quills press as a serial novel.

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  LisaRose

  I am reading this now, up to chapter four. I read Paradise Earth, I really liked it a lot, I could relate to every character in the story, I finished it in one night
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  What is the most valuable thing your mother taught you?

  by usualusername in

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  what is the most valuable thing your mother taught you?.

  as an aside was she a witness or not at the time?.

  uun .

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  LisaRose

  My mother was a very judgeemental and critical JW. But she taught me that you dont need money to dress well or have a nice home. She would tackle any job, she even built a room on to our house. She was going to thrift stores and recycling before it was cool. I a business now, fixing up and selling old furniture
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  San Francisco or Bay Area Members?

  by nibbled in

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  i did a search and came up with some posts related to san francisco, but i couldn't figure out how to find more recent onesthey were from nearly a dozen years ago!

  i was wondering if anyone lives around sf, as well as if anyone is around my age?

  i'm early 30's.

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  LisaRose

  Nibbled, I sent you PM

  Lisa
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  Is the Truth so delicate?

  by Socrateswannabe in

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  the gb brooks no questions or dissention.

  their brand of truth seems quite delicate and incapable of standing up to scrutiny.

  "the truth is incontrovertible.

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  LisaRose

  Steve2, well put, it is a total double standard. It's a hallmark of cult mind control that you are discouraged from getting information from any other source. I was told that other religions hate Jehovah's Witnesses, because the WTBTS exposed their false doctrines, so they made up things about them. It's sadly absurd, considering the WTBTS was doing all the lying. And they have totally brainwashed Witnesses to loath and fear "apostates". This word isnt even in the bible, it simply means someone who leaves a religion and speaks out against it. It was eight years after I left before I dared to come to forum, the fear conditioning was that effective.
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  Were you popular in your congregation or district?

  by Emery in

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  not to start some form of popularity contests here but i was wondering how popular some people were?

  how far did your network go in this organization?

  this question also pertains to those who are actively fading..

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  LisaRose

  Never, I am an introvert, plus my husband was DF. At one time I had a bit of a social life, but then I moved and never really fit in in my new hall. Then my life got crazy, I had health problems, missed a lot of meetings. I stopped going door to door. I was very lonely, when I did go to the meetings, I was often asked if I was visiting. I realized I had nothing in common with anyone. The only good thing about it was that it was really easy to just walk away.
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  Apostates are narrow-minded victims of brainwashing who believe everything they read

  by cedars in

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  or so says the person who left this comment on jwsurvey.org.... what just amazes me is how people can pass judgement on others, make vast sweeping statements and make out that they know best.

  this isnt just based on this page, but other pages ive read on this website.

  while youre at it why not just say all black people are criminals, all asians are rapists and all white people molest their children.

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  Jhine - Dont feel about not getting the original post, Cedars is well known in the EX JW world, but you couldn't have known that. He is still a Jehovahs Witness. I dont know his reasons, but many JWs stay in this reigion, because it teaches people to shun friends and family that leave, so they somewhat forced to stay. Some are working against the org from the inside.

  Reaching Jehovah's Witnesses is very difficult. They usually attend hours of meetings every week to reinforce their beliefs. They are instructed to only read Watchtower literature and to fear and distrust any other source of information. The odd look you got when you tried to show them anything else is fear. You might try using just the bible, but the WTBTS twists the meaning of many scriptures, or use only parts of them, so they might get fearful even with that.

  I have found asking questions is good. They are are comfortable answering questions, as they are taught to share their faith. if you ask the right questions, it may help make them think. If you google "cult mind control", you will see the JWs use every one of these methods. If you are really interested, check out Cult Mind Control by Steve Hassan
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  A keyboard confessional...

  by nibbled in

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  you guys don't know me, i'm new here.

  i'm typing on an iphone (pardon any random weird iphone auto-spell corrections) and could walk home to get to my laptop but i might lose the courage to post what comes to my heart to share right now.

  worse and more likely, i'll simply not be able to express what i felt right now... if i wait until i have a proper keyboard.

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  Welcome, I look forward to meeting you and hearing your full story (we live in the ame area). My story: My parents and I converted to the JWs in 1969, I was 13. I was a true believer, my parents did not force me. I was attracted to the idea of a paradise earth, as I loved nature. I also liked that thry didnt believe in trinity and hell fire.

  As many young JWs did, I married young and stupidly. They taught then that if you were not married when the new system came you would then never be able to marry. And of cource we expected Armageddon in 1975. My desire to have a happy JW family died when my husband got disfellowshipped only two years after we married. I was told I couldn't divorce, so I made the best of it. Unfortunately my husband also could not keep a job, so I was a full time working mother with two young children. It was very difficult to meet the expectations of the organization while working full time and taking care of two children, but I did my best. I had some nice JW girl friends, which made my life tolerable. I was by no means a zealous Witness, but I never gave up.

  At my husbands urging, we moved to the Sacramento area. I found the dubs there to be very different, and I never made any close friends. During this time, my 14 year old daughter became mentally ill. My life became very difficult. I had a ful job which I could not quit, I needed the benefits. My daughter attempted suicide twice. My husband became ill and almost died twice in six months. I developed fibromyalga, a chronic muscle pain syndrome. Obviously, this affected my meeting attendance, although I usually made the Sunday meetings. The elders were not unkind, but since I stopped reporting time, they pretty much ignored me. I felt like the invisible witness. It is hard to make small talk when you are thinking about life or death issues.

  Things started to get better, but my desire to live the JW life never returned. The doubts I had pushed aside while I was in crisis mode came back. I realized I didn't reallyexpect this system to end. I had stayed in a bad martiage because the WTBTS said it was ways better to stay. I realized then that it was all just bad advice, I had lived in a loveless marriage for no reason. It hit me one day - it was all just made up, none of it was true. It was hard at first, it was like my security blanket, the JW belief system, was just gone, it was scary. If this was not the truth, then what was?

  To be continued... sorry I didnt expect this to on so long.
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  Hi! I'm New Here

  by alecholmesthedetective in

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  hi there, as was suggested to me, i'm starting this thread to say hi to everyone.. my awakening began recently, after the new light on the 'slave'.

  i felt it didn't add up and went to check and found out ttatt.

  for a while i tried to find evidence of whether the wt might still be god's organization, i needn't say i couldn't.. i had already resigned as a ministerial servant and a pioneer, had already had several issues with the elders and did not put up with their nonsense for a long.

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  Welcome, enjoy your freedom.