You just wonder what in the world it could possibly take to make people at least question the appointment arrangement when something like this happens.
This is horrifying.
Posts by Dagney
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24Murderous Jehovah's Witness bludgeoned female customer before leading meeting. Spiritual paradise?
by Balaamsass2 in1/31/2024 in the strange but true category.
confused holy spirit appoints killer servant.
"" a twisted jehovah's witness bludgeoned a woman he rowed with over incomplete building works to death with a hammer, then merrily whistled as he packed up his tools and went to lead a service at the church where they met.
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Spiritual Paradise? Jehovah's Witness cons JW seniors out of life savings.
by Balaamsass2 in3/28/2024 central california coast.
found guilty of $1.2 million scam targeting seniors.
ex-insurance agent brett e. lovett convicted of fraud, elder abuse, grand theft, and money laundering".
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Dagney
Yes there was a guy down here in the 90's who went to prison. Financial "planner" I think, ended up a ponzi scheme.
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Spiritual Paradise? Jehovah's Witness cons JW seniors out of life savings.
by Balaamsass2 in3/28/2024 central california coast.
found guilty of $1.2 million scam targeting seniors.
ex-insurance agent brett e. lovett convicted of fraud, elder abuse, grand theft, and money laundering".
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Dagney
Wow!!
Nice going Br. Lovett! What a scumbag.
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Im hearing some say that the Org is about to reverse the No Blood policy - about to change...
by BeaverEater inuh, i wonder if that is true... hearing this from friends within bethel... gonna laugh my ass of if they change this....
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Dagney
may become more "don't ask....don't tell".
This^^^
They are going to distance themselves from the rules that require the intrusive policing of the flock that they were all about for decades. It detracts from the corporate goals of real estate/media/lawsuits etc.
The two witness rule is a bit more complicated as it’s an insane defense in a CSA in a court of law or opinion.
👏🏻 waves to Balaam and 3rd!!! ❤️❤️
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Advice on fade?
by NotNorwich inhello, i’ve just joined here and am hoping for some advice.
i was baptised a long time ago but left soon after (da).. i recently returned and have a bible study.
was reinstated about a year ago.
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Dagney
Men make religion. They can make up what means what to their hearts content.
The person studying with you would most like not be able to answer anything about Christadelphians, or anybody.
My answer to my brother regarding the FDS, Matt. 24:45-46 clearly outlines the onus is on how the slave is treating the domestics, not if the domestics are obedient to the appointed slave.
Remember less is best in talking to them. I say be gracious and thankful for their concern but in a tone to suggest this discussion is over.
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Advice on fade?
by NotNorwich inhello, i’ve just joined here and am hoping for some advice.
i was baptised a long time ago but left soon after (da).. i recently returned and have a bible study.
was reinstated about a year ago.
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Dagney
Probably best if you continue to play the "MOM IS SICK" card and tell them your schedule is SO BUSY at the moment that you are SO STRESSED OUT. Thank them for their love and concern.
^^^This.
Say only this. I understand the feeling of wanting to be honest and up front, but it will not go well for you. You will get used to it eventually. This worked for me. There was fallout, and it's a nervous dance, actually still is a bit and I've been out for 22 years.
Good luck.
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Prediction: no more changes for a long while
by slimboyfat ini’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.
so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.
maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.
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Dagney
To make the changes they have made to the corporation, Brooklyn/jwdotorg/media/ etc., they have to have loooong range plans, non of them spiritual. It is for the survival of the corporation, how to protect it. I don't know this GB, but from my observation the old guys just deliver the news, and would not have any experience to guide a corporation of this magnitude. They are only the faces that the flock revere.
These are business decisions IMHO, from very savvy business men who are trying to stop the bleeding. Giving out the "oh boy's" was pretty genius. Relaxing the shunning doesn't change any corporate real estate investment plans, and definitely helps their image to "the world" (TM) in their legal issues.
Does "Service Department" really want to deal judicially with a family being too friendly with a DF'd child when they have mega legal issues at stake all over the world that could tremendously impact the future of their real estate holdings and income of corporation?
I think there will be distancing from any controversial doctrines. The message is still loud and clear "the end is very very very very very near". That is really all I hear, and the "GB this and the GB that".
I've a hear a little that maybe the older folks are having more issues with changes, not uncommon. From others they are having great fun with the relaxed rules, group vacations, etc.
Interesting times for sure.
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JW Expanded Volunteer Activities?
by doinmypart ini think the gb needs to expand publishers' volunteer activities beyond door knocking.. gb has shifted away from door-knocking to more varied forms of witnessing and no longer counting time for publishers.
my prediction is that the gb will start encouraging jws to participate in broader community volunteer efforts: clean-up drives, food banks, senior citizen support, and other non-proselytizing activities.
this move could help them gain goodwill with government agencies and the public.. expanding volunteer activities could significantly shift how jws are perceived by the wider community.
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Dagney
There was a poster I met here years ago that was assigned to a 3rd world country as a special pioneer. When they got there, the scales began to fall off their eyes as they observed what the JWs did for the communities and what other religious groups did. Yes there were bibles and religious teachings with the other groups. But they also brought with them "works" as in helping with real physical daily needs, food, housing etc.
The SP could see the hypocrisy and returned to the states, started researching on this board, moved away from family and got a degree.
I will never forget what I was told at 9/11. The WT buildings closed their gates to not let any outsiders in for water or shelter. I was told they said "you never know who you would be letting in."
I hate this corporation.
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If the org. Is being advised by consultants, is a name change in the works?
by nowwhat? inlet's be honest, there's a stigma to the name jehovah's witness.
if they are going more mainstream.
i imagine the first recommendation was a name change.
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Dagney
I kind of think some sort of name change is not out of the question or I wouldn't be surprised. The religion identifiers of the past are long gone. They don't even have to explain their faith and doctrine in the field. They just show them the website.
I'm still so curious about what my old friends think about it all.
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JW Expanded Volunteer Activities?
by doinmypart ini think the gb needs to expand publishers' volunteer activities beyond door knocking.. gb has shifted away from door-knocking to more varied forms of witnessing and no longer counting time for publishers.
my prediction is that the gb will start encouraging jws to participate in broader community volunteer efforts: clean-up drives, food banks, senior citizen support, and other non-proselytizing activities.
this move could help them gain goodwill with government agencies and the public.. expanding volunteer activities could significantly shift how jws are perceived by the wider community.
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Dagney
I don't think they would provide that sort of social service unless it was monetarily beneficial to them. It's not their way, ever.
I still think these dress code and time reporting changes are a goodie tossed at the flock to keep them obedient and loyal. It's still a very closed community.
The WBTS et al are takers, they are not givers...in the community or to the flock.
Edited to add: Plus their goals are investments for the corporations, the real estate/studios/museums/org./teaching facilities are their write-offs, expenses. Outgoing $$ to needy have never been in the business plan.