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  Are You Afraid To Die?

  by avidbiblereader in

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  not the kind of death, but actually dying?

  not trying to be morbid, but for now, it is a part of life.. abr.

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  agapa37

  Not afraid to die.

  afraid to die too soon and leave my kids.
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  "I Have a Problem with Shunning"....

  by lonelysheep in

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  that was the first thing out of my mouth to the two women witnesses who came by yesterday to talk to me, their return visit.

  i had wanted to talk to them since last saturday, one of the women came by with a fellow and offered me the magazines.

  she asked, "do you think the world will ever be filled with peace?

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  agapa37

  You're right.
  They're sincerely scared and that's it!

  I have to disagree Lonely. I can't say for sure why those witness You encountered were out that day, but from experience with my old Congregation and my own personal reasons, it was not because they or I were afraid.

  Your friend
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  Should God be Held Responsible for the Evil that Men Do?

  by The wanderer in

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  organization claiming to be gods channel of communication?

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  agapa37

  No, God should not be held responsible for the evil people do, no more than the Wright Brothers should be held resposible for what people do with airplanes (like attaching bombs on them to drop on people) God created men PERFECT and put them in Perfect surroundings. It was man who deviated, not God.
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  When jw's say...

  by carla in

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  when a jw says they read the whole bible, or they try to in a year do they really mean they read the 'study in scriptures' book?

  or are they actually reading the nwt?

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  agapa37

  The daily text is a joke. They quote a snippet of scripture then talk about whatever they want.

  I am suprised to hear that from a proclaimed Christian. Reading a scripture to start the day off to, then trying to make modern day application to it is a JOKE? I have been to other church bible studies and that is exactly what they do. I see nothing wrong with that. YOU don't start your day off with scripture? Do you meditate on it and see how it can strenghten you or how it can draw you closer to God or how to apply it in life? Isn't that what we are supposed to do? That is what the daily text is for.
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  If Jesus could talk to Satan...

  by AuldSoul in

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  consider the scene: jesus has just been baptized and immediately leaves for an extended stay in the wilderness all on his lonesome.

  now ... already this is something the governing body would discourage any jw from doing, but i digress.. along comes satan.

  jesus knows it is satan, because of how satany he is.

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  agapa37

  Jesus did not tell Satan to "get lost". At any point. Maybe you are thinking of what he said to Peter?

  Maybe since your departure from the truth your memory of scripture departed as well. That usually happens to those who leave, they also stop studying the bible.

  Then Jesus said to him: "Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service. Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him. (Matthew 4:10) Looks to me Jesus told him to get lost.
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  If Jesus could talk to Satan...

  by AuldSoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  consider the scene: jesus has just been baptized and immediately leaves for an extended stay in the wilderness all on his lonesome.

  now ... already this is something the governing body would discourage any jw from doing, but i digress.. along comes satan.

  jesus knows it is satan, because of how satany he is.

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  agapa37

  (1) According to the Bible, was Satan an apostate from at least the Garden of Eden onward? (the meaning of "apostate"; Genesis 3)
  Yes Satan could be considered the first apostate, as he was the first to cause someone to apostasize from true worship
  
  (2) Was Satan, a known apostate, allowed in the assembly of God's angels? (Job 1-3)
  Yes Satan was allowed in Heaven. He was not forcibly removed until Jesus became king of God's kingdom. Until then, Jehovah gave him the freedom to go where he pleased.
  
  (3) Did Jesus talk with Satan? (Matthew 4)
  Jesus answered his temptations
  
  (4) Did Jesus use Scriptures when talking with Satan? (Matthew 4)
  Jesus did answer Satan with Scriptures
  
  (5) Did Jehovah both talk with and allow himself to be influenced by Satan? (Job 1-3)
  
  yes and no. I do not see where Jehovah is being influenced by Satan. (Look up influence with Miriam-Webster: alter, modify - neither of which did Jehovah do when talking with Satan) He answers Satan's taunts, but does not change in anyway.
  
  (6) Would the interaction between Jesus and Satan described in Matthew 4 be permissable for Jehovah's Witnesses? (Matthew 4)
  Jehovah's witnesses probably shouldn't be talking to Satan. :)
  
  
  That, indisputably, being the case: Why is it okay for Jesus to talk with Satan but not okay for my family to talk with me?
  I dispute your assumption that Jesus would be disfellowshipped for talking with Satan. Situations would be taken into account. If I were on a mountain and an apostate came and tempted me 3 times and all I responded with was scripture (then told him to get lost), I would not be disfellowshipped.
  You keep referring to Jesus temptations from Satan to a fullfledged conversation. According to scripture, it was 3 temptations.
  Satan: "make bread out of this rock", Jesus: "man lives on utterances from God too".
  Satan: "jump, God will save you", Jesus: "don't put God to the test".
  Satan: "worship me!", Jesus: "worship only God! Leave me, now."
  
  Not much of an indepth conversation. I highly doubt this to be a disfellowshipping offense.
  Edit:ooops, I guess I didn't finish answering your question.
  Since Jesus didn't have a real in-depth conversation with Satan, neither should your family have one with you.

  Beautiful answer Metaspy. That's what I have been saying (or trying to say). People look to the scriptures and try to make them fit somewhere they don't just to satisfy there own agenda. Auld seems to be a master at it and the rest follow his suite because he uses FANCY words and prides himself on Perfect vocabulary. Talk about brainwashing! I think this thread should be closed because both Metsapy and I responded and throughly answered your question with the bible and logic that cannot be refuted successfully! Thanks again Metaspy PS: Auld maybe JWS won't talk with you because of your superior attitude and argumentative appraoch. Example, I told you wouldn't hear from me due to the fact that I can only post five per day, but you HAD to throw in a smart and condesending comment about me.....something about crickets. Remember? You can add one more witnees who refuse to have a conversation with you I would also like to add, I see the way you CHANGED the subject after she thouroughly undisputably answered your questuons and DESTROYED your logic, i guess hold habits are hard to break.
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  If Jesus could talk to Satan...

  by AuldSoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  consider the scene: jesus has just been baptized and immediately leaves for an extended stay in the wilderness all on his lonesome.

  now ... already this is something the governing body would discourage any jw from doing, but i digress.. along comes satan.

  jesus knows it is satan, because of how satany he is.

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  agapa37

  Yes I got it. But you don't get what I am saying. JWS are encouraged to follow Jesus example. The example of Jesus and satans DISCUSSION/temptation is NOT the same example of JWS talking to you. So for the third time, trying to apply the temptation account with the senario of JWS talking to you is a far stretch from being the samething or even close to being the same application. This will be my last post for the day because old habits die hard and can only post five a day! A little advice, try to be a bit more simple in words, when talking to us JWS, we are just that way.

  So to answer your Question, why won't JWS get into a bible discussion with you? Because as you said they feel you are an apostate and the bible warns God's people to steer clear of them and , at least I do, feel that Jesus example with Satan does not apply to your scenario! Got it? I hope so because I am tired of repeating myself. I will respond tomarrow if I haven't been futher disciplined. Have a great day!
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  If Jesus could talk to Satan...

  by AuldSoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  consider the scene: jesus has just been baptized and immediately leaves for an extended stay in the wilderness all on his lonesome.

  now ... already this is something the governing body would discourage any jw from doing, but i digress.. along comes satan.

  jesus knows it is satan, because of how satany he is.

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  agapa37

  I thought I did answer that question. It was NOT a discussion. The Bible says it was a TEMPTATION! It was a question /challenge(satan) and answer (Jesus) type exchange. OK, we can call it a discussion in the literal sense of the word for the sake of argument, but as I said before, the way you are trying to apply it to your scenario does not fit. The type of interaction that you and I are having now is something discouraged by the JWS. Why? well I am sure you know why. You yourself openly called yourself an apostate in there eyes and asked why JWS wouldn't converse with you. Do we need to look to Pauls letters to see why?
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  If Jesus could talk to Satan...

  by AuldSoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  consider the scene: jesus has just been baptized and immediately leaves for an extended stay in the wilderness all on his lonesome.

  now ... already this is something the governing body would discourage any jw from doing, but i digress.. along comes satan.

  jesus knows it is satan, because of how satany he is.

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  agapa37

  So Satan comes along but Jesus didn't rebuke Satan. Instead, he has a lengthy Scriptural discussion with his Father's archenemy—really, a doctrinal discussion, with both sides using power of persuasion full-tilt.

  If Jesus is my family's exemplar, and they believe I am an apostate, why are they not allowed to follow Jesus' example?

  Can some JW please answer that one for me?

  Yes Auld I can try. What you are actuallt doing is LOOKING for something to use against the JWS within that account that is not there! You make alot of ASSUMPTIONS...example..really, a doctrinal discussion, with both sides using power of persuasion full-tilt. For one, where do you see a doctrinal discussion? It is not a discussion but is a temptation as the BIBLE says. Both sides using power of persuasion? Where? That account shows Satan MISAPPLYING (much like you have done with this account) scriptures to tempt Jesus and Jesus countering with the truth. Basiclly my answer to you is; Don't try to make something outta nothing! I hope that has helped you.
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  Witnesses Have a High Mental Illness Level, Hmmmmm.

  by Golf in

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  2. friends

  check this site out.

  http://www.equip.org/free/dj601.htm .

  http://www.equip.org/free/dj570-2.htm .

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  agapa37

  Now I know why I'm nuts

  But you are not a JW JH. So there must be another reason why you are nuts!