Posts by Pahpa

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2/3rds leave the Borg!

by Number1Anarchist in

time.comcnn.com monday, september 01, 2008 .

america's unfaithful faithfulmonday, feb. 25, 2008 by david van biemaaladdin color, inc. / corbis a major new survey presents perhaps the most detailed picture we've yet had of which religious groups americans belong to.

and its big message is: blink and they'll change.

Pahpa

The Pew report seems to indicate that 2/3rds of "those raised as Jehovah's Witnesses" leave the organization. I wonder what the statistics are for the converts?

I think it is harder for those who converted to leave the organization because they have to admit that they were wrong about religion once again. Some may still be convinced that the Watchtower is doctrinally right in spite of the other faults they find about the organization. Also, it is harder to disconnect when you have "burned your bridges" with old friends and relatives. I think these factors may keep many in the organization.

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Was Cheops actually Job?

by cameo-d in

do witnesses teach that the builder of the pyramid, cheops, was actually job?.

i read somewhere that the "ch" sound was pronounced like "j" and that this had something to do with the name being translated with a j.. knowing how the witness have an affinity for substituting j for y and probably a lot of other letters, too, i wondered if i read this in some wt lit.

a while back.

Pahpa

cameo-d

It is true that the author of Job is unknown. Some Bible scholars who have no connection with the Watchtower have speculated that the author could have been Moses, Solomon, Isaiah, etc. There simply is no way to tell.

Why do you think that there is a connection between Job and Cheops? There doesn't appear to be anything in the book of Job that makes this link. Nor is there anything in the scant records of Cheops (Khufu) that would make one draw this conclusion.

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Are these things true?

by Number1Anarchist in

this is a letter off the internet.

are the things he says about spirtualism true where they wanted to bury brother rutherford at sunrise?

(this letter was written in june 1994 to fellow jws.

Pahpa

This is one powerful letter that sums up what many of us feel. Sadly, the Watchtower doesn't seem to be aware that it has lost some of its "brightest and best." But the Watchtower organization was based on error from the very beginning. So, we should not be surprised that it continues in this course.

I believe the greatest error it has made is the substitution of itself in place of Christ as so well expressed in this letter. And I'm convinced that some day the leaders of this sect will have to answer to God for their audacity.

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Was Cheops actually Job?

by cameo-d in

do witnesses teach that the builder of the pyramid, cheops, was actually job?.

i read somewhere that the "ch" sound was pronounced like "j" and that this had something to do with the name being translated with a j.. knowing how the witness have an affinity for substituting j for y and probably a lot of other letters, too, i wondered if i read this in some wt lit.

a while back.

Pahpa

cameo-d

No. Khufu (Cheops) was pharaoh of Egypt in the 4th dynasty. Job was believed to have been a contemporary of Moses....well after Khufu built his pryamid.

The two other pryramids were built by Kafre (son of Khufu) and by Mencaure (son of Kafre).

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Global Warming lie -don't be brainwashed 2008 Australia's Coldest winter???

by Witness 007 in

that's right folks the world is in for global warming...you'll be dog paddling to work in ten years however.....remember the graph in "that" documentary showing temps.

well not this year temps.

are going down with melbourne australia {and many other countries} recording the "coldest winter in ten years.".

Pahpa

Most scientists now accept global warning. But the major question is what is causing this to happen. Some feel it is just a cycle. Others feel that man is contributing to it. Since scientists don't really know, it is almost impossible for the average person to guess.

The one thing I do know is that I would rather fault on the side of caution than to wake up one day to find that we ignored the possibility that man was one of the leading contributor and did nothing about it. We've seen the pictures of the melting ice sheets, the loss of rain forests and the exploitation of our natural resources. Isn't it time we at least re-evalute our own priorities?

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Could you have written this "letter"?

by compound complex in

jw
friends

(maybe i could once have written a similar letter.

but not today ).

matter of fact i could hardly be botherd to read the letter.

Pahpa

CoCo & Changeling

Thank you for your kind words. I must add that our three other children and our eight other grandchildren have been wonderful to us. It is their love and support that enable us to endure. But many of our other family members continue to take the Society's hard line and shun us. Probably the hardest thing to accept is that my wife's mother (who is 97 and living with us) is totally ignored by her two daughters and many grandchildren. Here is a woman that devoted her life to her children and family. In her declining years she should be surrounded by her family and "honored" by them. Instead, they follow the Watchtower's counsel to the letter and avoid her. My wife and our children are grateful to have her with us still. We have been blessed in so many ways.

Pahpa

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Great Pyramid is Jehovah's Witness. How so?

by cameo-d in

i read it in wiki.. the best i can make out is that these are the reasons:.

"patterned after the capstone of the great pyramid of egypt, symbolic of the christ".

and that russell made (superstitious) predictions based on measurements in the pyramid.. "russell had first published that the date 1874 was derived from a measurement of 3416 pyramid inches[105] which measurement was revised in the 1910 edition to 3,457 inches (87.8 m) to point to 1915.".

Pahpa

cameo-d

One should note that the "prophecy about Egypt" in Isaiah 19 is only one of a series starting in chapter 13 that foretells the destruction of other nations (Babylon, Tyre, Cush, etc.) In this case, the prophet foretells the time when the Egyptians will acknowledge Jehovah by using various symbolisms that emphasize the point. One does not have to take these literally. For example, Vss 23-25 speaks of "a highway from Egypt to Assyria" which illustrates how the Egyptians, Assyrians and Israel will all worship together. It doesn't mean we should expect a literal "highway."

Read the other chapters and note how many symbolisms are used. It will give you a greater understanding of how the prophets used symbolic illustrations to drive home a point.

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Could you have written this "letter"?

by compound complex in

jw
friends

(maybe i could once have written a similar letter.

but not today ).

matter of fact i could hardly be botherd to read the letter.

Pahpa

CoCo

The pain and suffering over alienation of family members can only be understood fully by those who have experienced it. With us it is the separation and shunning from our oldest daughter and her three children. We have not seen her in over 25 years. And we only had word from her a couple of times during that period. The last time she requested that we not write any more. We have not even seen our grandchildren (3) in that time.

I can not fully blame my daughter since we brought her up as a Jehovah's Witness. But I do blame the leaders of the organization for the inhuman and cruel policies they created to separate and divide families. And it should be noted that these policies changed over the years for the worse. It has caused untold heartache for thousands. As long as our loved ones remain in the organization, we can not freely break away as others have. We carry this heartache with us.

But we have learned to live with it and get along with our lives. My last word to my daughter was that our house was always opened to her and to her family. We still hope that she will return someday.

Pahpa

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In praise of my NHS dentist!

by Gill in

jw
friends

well, i've had a bit of an unpleasant couple of weeks.. however, in contemplating what happened i realised how grateful i am to the people who have helped me and so i'll tell you what happened.. we, in the uk, here a lot of not so good things about our nhs dentists.

the governement also do not give them the respect and pay they deserve though i am sure there are, as always, some not so good ones amongst them.. here is what happened to me.

about ten days ago i needed to have an old root canalled tooth out as it had been repeatedly getting infected.. the dentist pulled it out, with some difficulty as it had odd shaped roots.

Pahpa

Gill

In the U.S. we often hear of the failure of the NHS of various nations. It has been used by many here to discourage it. It has become a political issue in the past few years. As a result, millions of people have no coverage at all. It has to be one of the great domestic failures of our nation.

However, we seem to be inching closer to it now. And I believe eventually it will be policy in this country. In the mean time, the medical and pharmaceudical industries rule supreme.

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Whos to blame ? Have we learnt?

by cluless in

jw
friends

being lied to by the watchtower hurt.

it hurt because when i exposed these lies to members of the congregation i discoverd they preferd the lie to truth.

that they would compromise there family there integrity and friends to continue living a lie.

Pahpa

Cluless

You're right that there are many organizations and people out there who lie and deceive. And there must be some blame on the gullible person who is taken in by such deception. However, if one is inexperienced and naive, who carries the greatest blame. I would suggest that it was the source of deception.

In the case of the Watchtower, it claims to represent God as his only channel of communication today. Many of us were impressed with its strong moral teachings and its high Biblical standards. But over the years, we began to discern the hypocrisy and the double standards that permeated the organization. For many of us, it reached a point that we no longer could accept this as "God's organization." And we chose to sever our connections. However, the Watchtower doesn't allow a person to leave without reprecussions. Its policy of disfellowshipping and disassociating has caused untold pain and suffering to families and individuals.

Who is to blame? In this case it has to be the leaders of the Watchtower Society.