Let those that have no sin cast the first stone.
You are welcome here if I have anything to say about it.
i got a phone call from a person that i gave my phone # to.
and this person said that gays are not welcome here and this is not what this board was really about.
i told them that this is only one part of the crap that the wts did to people and that we are people too.
Let those that have no sin cast the first stone.
You are welcome here if I have anything to say about it.
this has been very interesting to say the least.
proof of ancient giants?
i don't think so.. i was talking this morning to a person that emailed me photos of giants that have been excavated and he claims this is proof of the nephilim.
Here is another photo I found of the Gigantopithecus found at Mt. Blanca Fossil Museum.
mistakes admitted by wts?
i seek feedback on the following series of questions:.
1. has the watchtower society publicly admitted its mistakes?
A local Elder told me that the body of Elders were instructed to not give my dad and I an apology after they found out the NGO deal was true from the C.O. For those that do not know my dad was DF'd because he told others in the congregation about the NGO's and put me on reproof for the same thing. This Elder said they were referred to an article in the Watchtower in the 50's that said Jehovah's Organization never apologizes because to apologizes shows weakness and Jehovah is not weak. I looked up the article and it did say that in so many words that is. The few times I have talked to one of the ELders I have brought up the article and tell them they still need to apologize to my dad and I this would go along way with my dad.
my wife and i (and of course not our two sons because they are df'ed) got invited over to my mother and father-in-laws place for dinner last night.
at first, i wasn't going to go, and then i thought....well this might be fun.
btw, i knew that pretty much all of the family was going to be there, including two elders...my father in law, and my brother in law...both brain dead "true believers.
this has been very interesting to say the least.
proof of ancient giants?
i don't think so.. i was talking this morning to a person that emailed me photos of giants that have been excavated and he claims this is proof of the nephilim.
What do you think? This has been very interesting to say the least. Proof of Ancient Giants? I don't think so.
I was talking this morning to a person that emailed me photos of Giants that have been excavated and he claims this is proof of the Nephilim. I have to admit it took me by surprise that huge skeletons have been found. So off into Internet zone I went and I have to admit that they are finding proof.
But I believe they are not the Nephilim of the scriptures but that there is a logical explanations and it is found at Wikipedia here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantopithecus
Here are a few of the photos he sent me which he claims is proof of the Nephilim.
thursday evening, i came across a terrible accident, involving two cars.
there were two firetrucks, a first response truck, an ambulance, and about a dozen police cruisers.
there was glass all over the place, and you could smell the strong odour of an electrical fire.
I have received that phone call and know how you hate for awhile, I see the drunk driver that took our Amy away living his life and feel the irony of it all. Amy was my brothers daughter that my wife and I helped raise after my brother died, she was nine month pregnant at the time the Drunk driver took her from us.
i was just reading jwfacts topic about the change in the teaching about "worshiping" jesus, and i wanted to get this off my chest so to speak.. i started a new thread because these comments are not really inline with his thread, nor is this a rebuttal.... .
for some time even since before i got to the point which i did not agree with the wts teachings i have been researching things and this whole thing about people and having their battle about words and meanings seems a little short sighted to me.. i will take the "worship jesus" example (i am not arguing a point either side here).
we have to accept that the english bible was translated from another language (latin, greek, aramaic, etc.. depending on the translation).
Worship can mean: act of reverence, whether to a thing, person, or God. to act piously towards a deep acknowledgement of a thing, a person, or Gods attributes.
It does not imply how we today have come to understand the word. It can mean simply to acknowledging whom Jesus was. To imply anything more is not supported by the word WORSHIP in its original form.
i was thinking of all the "concious matters" that you could do if you wanted, but would not tell anyone so you wouldn't get in "trouble".
one thing that came to my mind is when after having my baby, i wanted to join weight watchers...there were two meeting places to choose from...one close to me and in a church....and one quite far not in a church.
well, i went to the one in the church, always worried someone would see me(but i didn't really think it was a big deal) so, what did you all hide?
I started to go to the meeting minutes before they started. Dropped my hours and soon did not go out and only reported one hour a month. Then skipped months. It was very well planned. Then when the NGO deal hit and the Elders gave me a Judicial meeting I quit going after that. I told them I was stumbled and all the above worked. I am out and did not get DF'd going out.
after years of being told clergymen are shysters, it took over a year before a relaxed and quit worrying 'bout "babylon the great"
Can't do it yet and it has been 5 years for me.
so i agreed to have a look at all this jw stuff just to save our relationship and after all that iam still not good enough!
well iam sure this is not a surprise to all you wise people here but i still dont understand....i never did think love conquered all...but ....he feels that as he is having doubts it must be wrong..i asked him what was more important-what i believed in or who i really was as a person?
he said i just dont understand...of course it was most important what i believed in and he cannot see himself living his life with anyone who is not fully in the truth!
Sorry, I feel your hurt, this is not fair.
I was married 17 years when I left the JW's and my wife had a fit, she left me for awhile. She demanded that I either went back your she would never come back. I told her stay the HELL gone I was not going to ever go back. She finally came home and read my "Blood letter" proving the B.S. of the JW's stand on blood from the bible. She read all the information about the NGO's and the Society's response. etc... She could see I was right and she quit and is a full blown ex-JW.
It worked out for me but only because I would not cave into her demands of getting back in the BORG.
I hope you can move froward, just know there a people like me that do feel your pain.