Posts by Mondo1

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Who is Jesus? Is he God?

by BelieverInJesus in

i live in memphis.

months ago, i had some jw's come by and talk with me.

i'm a believer in the holy bible.

Mondo1

So, are you saying that the Hebrew word "OLAM" took on a "special theological meaning" of ETERNITY when it applied to YHWH? That's interesting, considering the fact that earlier in this thread you made these statements:

No, that is not what I'm saying, I'm saying olam means olam, it does not have a special theological meaning.

So, then, the Hebrew word "OLAM" could very well take on the additional meaning of "ETERNAL EXISTENCE" when applied to JESUS in Proverbs 8:23 and Micah 5:2, just as easily as it could take on this extra meaning when it is applied to YHWH!

If those words were taken in isolation, certainly, but they are not. In Proverbs 8 we have 22 and 24-26 that clarify the meaning. In Micah we have several things, the least of which is 5:4 where it speaks of "Jehovah HIS God."

And of course, the Hebrew word "OLAM" was used for normal people and things, NOT just God:

Exactly.

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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?

by Hellrider in

i have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.

...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.

i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.

Mondo1

I didn't say Jesus is both flesh and spirit, possessing a dual nature. Not once. Obviously you misunderstood. As for where they got Jesus is Michael, I'd venture to say from the Protestant reformers.

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New World Translation Brackets!!

by gold_morning in

for what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.

the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".

at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.

Mondo1

LL,

I wonder how accurate and reliable the research material that you came across was. Most criticisms of the NWT are unjustified.

Mondo

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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?

by Hellrider in

i have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.

...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.

i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.

Mondo1

DD

I think you're missing the point. Your question was based upon that idea. Without that idea, the question was not valid. Get it?

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New World Translation Brackets!!

by gold_morning in

for what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.

the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".

at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.

Mondo1

I don't see any loose ends and I didn't say people are morons, but if a person doesn't understand anything about the original language of a text or how an Interlinear is translated, they came come to numerous false conclusions about the quality of a translation.

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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?

by Hellrider in

i have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.

...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.

i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.

Mondo1

Your premise was that Jesus was Michael, and I said that is untrue, so yes I did correct you. Your interpretation of 1Thes. 4:17 is bad, so the fact that you are using the NWT or any other Bible isn't helping you. ....

and for my honest answer, I didn't hold back. It was the first time you'd asked me if he was flesh or spirit.

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New World Translation Brackets!!

by gold_morning in

for what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.

the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".

at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.

Mondo1

My point was only that comparing an interlinear to a translation is not very wise unless you understand a little bit about what is going on. If you don't understand anything one can come away saying something is "mistranslated" when it really isn't.

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New World Translation Brackets!!

by gold_morning in

for what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.

the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".

at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.

Mondo1

I can understand what you are saying, from your perspective. One thing I would note about Paul is that he seems to acknowledge that in certain statements of his somethings are obvious in their exclusion. (cf. 1cor 15:27)

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Revelation 1.17 Jesus divinity? Or just "the first" raised from the dead"?

by Hellrider in

i have been having an argument in this thread, which originally was about the trinity (oh no, not again.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/121719/1.ashx.

...with mondo1, about what the text in revelation 1.17 means.

i don`t want this thread to turn into another trinity-thread, let`s just keep it to the phrase "the first and the last", and revelation, and jesus` status in this text.

Mondo1

And what does it being based upon the NWT have to do with anything? It really doesn't matter what Bible you're using, the issue still remains.

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New World Translation Brackets!!

by gold_morning in

for what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.

the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".

at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.

Mondo1

Leolaia,

I really don't see how what you said has much impact on the overall point. Indeed, Satan is subject to God and Christ, but to use eirhnopoiew to describe it is simply not proper. It simply does not describe the entering of a state that God and Satan ever are shown to enter. He is always at war with God, right to the end and then that still doesn't happen, but he is then thrown into the lake of fire.

Mondo