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  What will Jehovah's Witnesses do when they realize they've been lied to

  by cultswatter in

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  i think there might be a mass revolt.

  imagine a mob of 100,000 angry dubs in newyork smashing down wt 25 using telephone posts as battering rams.

  then the looting and the destruction of every wt property in newyork and elsewhere.

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  Probably not a mass revolt, but a revolt that looks something like this:

  Stop or decrease in contributing to the WWW and maybe even the local KH. Not voluteering to work at the assemblies and conventions. Maybe feining a little bit more illness so one can miss more meetings. Raising questions about key doctrines like the 144,000, the "end times" and others. Start using extra cash from not contributing to funding retirement accounts and investing in education. Leaving the window washing business to get a job with insurance/benefits which will leave little time for "kingdom interests".

  Kind of a passive aggressive revolt.............

  zarco
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  Comments You Will Not Hear At the 2-18-07 WT Study (1st Resurrection)

  by blondie in

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  "the first resurrection" now under way!.

  "-1 thessalonians 4:16.. .

  over 90,434 at the memorial in 1925 at a time when all were anointed, ten years before the "great crowd" doctrine was presented in 1935. there are 120, plus 3,000 then 5,000 alone reported in the first few years of the christian congregation.. *** w67 11/15 p. 694 par.

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  Blondie,

  Great work on establishing that the "annointed" likely number far more than 144,000. Over 90,000 in 1925 is an amazing number when one considers the early christain numbers, the number of annointed ones through the ages and those who became so after 1925.

  I have wondered about this question for some time. Thanks for your thoughts on the issue.

  zarco
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  Do you recall your "point of no return"?

  by JH in

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  was there something special that happened, an event or maybe a deception, that triggered your point of no return as a jw.. .

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  It was earlier today when a kind person explained something I had not allowed myself to think about – that Jesus is my savior, redeemer, High Priest and King , Eternal Father, Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, and Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:4-7) and yet I cannot speak to him (according to the WT)

  He asked me, “Can you have a personal relationship with someone with whom you cannot communicate” – the kind person continued to reason with me that I can communicate to Jehovah, to the Governing Body and to any Brothers in positions of responsibility from Elders to Branch overseers, but that I cannot remain a witness and communicate freely with Jesus.

  He also referenced several biblical examples regarding the real relationship a Christian can and should have with Jesus personally.

  I don’t know where this will all lead, but thanks so much Auldsoul!

  With appreciation and respect,

  zarco
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  Complete Amnesty

  by zarco in

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  would you come back the organization if all disfellowshipping/other punitive actions were completely reversed?

  if you came back would it be for association with friends and family only?

  what policy and behavioral changes would the society need to make to "entice" you back?.

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  Would you come back the organization if all disfellowshipping/other punitive actions were completely reversed?

  If you came back would it be for association with friends and family only?

  What policy and behavioral changes would the society need to make to "entice" you back?
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  HEY, ALL YOU JWD PEOPLE!!!!!

  by Warlock in

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  what a good week!.

  you have all been very funny and very entertaining.. the picture thread, the experiences.

  some good, some very sad.. what a bunch of babes!

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  jgnat, if that is the case where the difference is to be celebrated how do you make our families better, the world better. An interchange of ideas is a step, but collective beliefs lead to change. Do you not want change? Is what we currently have the best that it can be?
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  HEY, ALL YOU JWD PEOPLE!!!!!

  by Warlock in

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  what a good week!.

  you have all been very funny and very entertaining.. the picture thread, the experiences.

  some good, some very sad.. what a bunch of babes!

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  Actually no new thread alert - just want to know what you collectively believe to be true.
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  HEY, ALL YOU JWD PEOPLE!!!!!

  by Warlock in

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  what a good week!.

  you have all been very funny and very entertaining.. the picture thread, the experiences.

  some good, some very sad.. what a bunch of babes!

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  Minimus - what is the truth? I understand if you mean the collective opinions against the org - but in all seriousness, what is the truth here that you adhere to? What is the collective view of JWD about things that matter like hunger, injustice, prejudice, morals, God and similar questions?

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  If Jehovah isn't the true God then who is?

  by unbaptized in

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  if jehovah isn't the true god then who is?

  if the jehovah's witnesses aren't god's people then who is?.

  please let me know and i need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization.

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  unbaptized,

  Great questions. I think you will find many honest replies here. But I am slowly learning that the forum is united only in being against the organization and what it teaches. It is not really for anything other than independant thought (which can be a very good thing). When I say "not for anything" I mean in a united sense - there is not a coalescing around an alternative "truth"

  Many individuals are for many things aligned with what they individualy beleive. The people on the board are wonderful in providing information and arguments against the "organization". For that I am very grateful. I just needed to scale back my expectations about what is here.

  zarco
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  JW Publisher Growth Trends

  by zarco in

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  i would like direction to past research on the publisher growth trends in the modern day organization.

  the questions i am attempting to answer are:.

  1- how many publishers should jws have today given new publishers (or baptisms) and average mortality rates .

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  I would like direction to past research on the publisher growth trends in the modern day organization. The questions I am attempting to answer are:

  1- how many publishers should JWs have today given new publishers (or baptisms) and average mortality rates

  2- in what year did the modern day organization meet/exceed 144,000 publishers

  I assume this research is somewhere on this board but I cannot find it. Thanks for any help you can provide.

  zarco
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  JW Discussion Forum Poll

  by zarco in

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  as some of you know i am an active jw in search of the truth and i see many good and bad things in the organization i am interested in knowing the following from forum.

  which of the following statements best describe your belief -.

  1 - the wtbts is jehovahs channel and i believe what it teaches me (i had to ask:).

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  Auldsoul,

  Thanks for your comments. I wrongly assumed that most of the folks on the board thought that God had worked through the modern day "Organization" and I now appreciate that is not the case.

  Regarding your question about when God was using a human organization, I feel that the tenets that Russell taught regarding hell, the soul, the trinity and the ransom show God's spirit operating upon him both to enable his understanding of these matters and spreading this information to others. In my opinion I would say that clearly God used him and his limited organization from the 1870s to about 1913 or so. Additionally I feel that God also used men like Martin Luther, Tyndale, Calvin and others to keep "truth" alive.

  After 1914, the failed prophecy regarding 1914 has caused additional failed prophecies and a grasping at straws of truth with very little new understanding. So if there is an apostacy it occurs after 1914 in my mind.

  Certainly the scriptures you reference prove that God can and does work with individuals. However, it seems to me that he has used groups of individuals to dessimate truth. I realize I am biased in this regard given my enjoyable experiences within the congregation I attend (at least the good outweighs the bad). It seems that the bad that many on this forum have experienced far out weighs the good possibly causing a bias as well.

  Thanks for your thoughts on the matter and I will write more later.

  zarco