had the nerve to counsel teddy j of the gb about the unkind way things were communicated.
to the assembly hall staff, citing the counsel the service department wasn't following it's own advice .
they give to elders about treating the friends with kindness and respect.
The Service Department is very vindictive. Very forgiving to themselves and their mistakes, very harsh on others. Many Brothers get "blacklisted" from convention parts, appointments and other "privileges". I have no doubt that Ted is behind the removal as an Assembly Hall Overseer, but I really doubt that he has anything to do with the disfellowshipping or length of time for reinstatement. Those two matters are typically handled localy...... but you never know
Zarco
where were you in the pecking order??
jws pride themselves as being different from "worldly" organizations and other religions.
they claim to have no clergy/laity groups.
And Freddie should be on the org chart - but where to put him depends on if he is dead or alive:)
where were you in the pecking order??
jws pride themselves as being different from "worldly" organizations and other religions.
they claim to have no clergy/laity groups.
Indeed - how can I forget the Legal Department. They had the power to make the blood issue go away - you can have pizza by the slice just not the whole pizza at once......
i got a phone call from a pioneer sis this morning.
she quit talking to me in aug when i renounced the wt.
she just called to see "how i am doin".
Regarding the pedophile issue, if the person has been convicted he or she will be the Registered Offenders List. If the person is on the list your friend might want to accidentally leave a print out in a place were it can be found. Additionally, she could send a copy by registered mail to the WTBTS and the CO. That might get things moving. If she is afraid to do so maybe you could do that for her. Innocents must be protected.
where were you in the pecking order??
jws pride themselves as being different from "worldly" organizations and other religions.
they claim to have no clergy/laity groups.
Service Department,
Writing Department,
Governing Body,
Wealthy JWs,
Branch Committee,
Bethlites,
Traveling Overseers,
Pioneers,
Then the rest of Congregation with the poor, widows and orphans not being cared for.
i'm new here and i have this friend that have recently moved here and not even a month that he has been here at the kingdom hall that i attend one of the elders made the announcement that brother xxxxx has been reproved.. i was just comming up with the reasons why he might of gotten reproved any stories, suggestions or experience would be greatly appreciated?
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Dont get baptized unless you are 100 percent certain it is the "truth". Once you are baptized you are exposed to the harshness or the Organization. You will be forced to have only JW associates, only believe JW teachings, suspend any intellectual curiosity and basically have the organization attempt to run your life. Then when all you have is the organization it will become "hell" trying to ever leave or even think outside the box.
that's my suggestion.
i wouldn't trust most anybody.
Good Advice.
The organization is not set up to handle sincere questions and doubts. Once you get to the point where the bible proves a WTBTS teaching is in error you get one of two responses from a JW.
1- Jehovah will clear this up in time, or
2- It is not that important to me, I serve Jehovah because ……..
With regard to trusting JWs with your doubts, it is almost always leads to some sort of a bad result. JWs are afraid of the organization, afraid to face their own fears about the false teaching, afraid of the punitive nature of the organization. This fear causes what once were rational people to act irrationally. In the absence of fear one probably could be trusted, but such fear is so pervasive that there are few left to trust in the organization.
do you think that jesus or one of the new testament writers would have said only 144,000 are going to heaven so hurry up not one time did anyone say this, yet it is a core truth today.
if only 144,000 where going to heaven wouldnt a first century count of believers been reported?
what a mess..
Do you think that Jesus or one of the New Testament writers would have said “only 144,000 are going to heaven so hurry up” Not one time did anyone say this, yet it is a “core truth” today. If only 144,000 where going to heaven wouldn’t a first century count of believers been reported? What a mess.
how many of you were required to give up a certain career you had in order to become a jw or before you could be baptised?.
help here in naming all the job positions and careers that dubs are not allowed to have and the scriptural reason for it.
detail if possible.. can a jw be a mortician?.
Gopher,
Nice post. But the reason that a JW cannot be a police officer is that it puts a life dedicated to god in a potentially dangerous position. The gun issue is a second reason, but subordiante to the first.
Zarco
i'm working on an article tonight from an interview i did last week with jane sanders, the president of burlington college and the wife of us senator bernie sanders.
i was thinking of the wts's comments this summer at the dc where they really bad mouthed the value of a college education.. this is what jane sanders said:.
"the cost of education is very high, and we are one of the only industrialized nations in the world that doesnt give some kind of strong support to higher education, that considers that that is a necessity.
S4
Most of the Bethelites in positions of oversight in legal, accounting, finance, engineering and of course the medical professions have degrees. The Society has encouraged educated ones to join Brooklyn Bethel. When I worked at Bethel it was amazing to see many who in spite of counsel from the organization pursued higher education and were accepted to Bethel positions. It has to be most awkward for the Society to reward higher education by accepting those who have it while at the same time discouraging education.
I am happy to say that my family from top to bottom (3 generations) has advanced degrees from fine schools. We would not let the fear of knowledge discourage us from our goal. Why are these guys so afraid of knowledge. If they had the truth wouldn't knowledge help their cause?
Zarco
